Marieke, first off - you have been far better than Simen. You've been choosing your words in a much better manner. Makes a big difference.

Ummm, in Australia there is no "college" level. You go straight from high school to university. Anyway - the textbooks weren't purely about Einstein's neurological tendencies. It was much more general than that covering a wide range of his history both personal and otherwise. The class - through the encouragement of our teacher - discussed a great deal of it.

That's not something I usually see, Marieke. My experience is that people who disagree with me turn around and bite back along the lines of "prove it!"

If there wasn't any evidence to the contrary - yes I would. Because there are a lot of things I wouldn't put past the US government.

It's also an expression of frustration on my part, Marieke. And with the written word the options are limited.

I would if I could remember them. And even if I didn't I could go back to my old alma mater to see if they still had it - but it was closed in the early 1990's like a lot of high schools were around that time (and to this day I've always said that was a BS decision by the state government). Anyway - it is possible that because we had it in Australia there's no guarentee it would be available in other countries. Of course that depends on who wrote it - and because it was a non fiction text book the author was irrelevant.

I fail to see why government propaganda would be used to affect a text on someone like Einstein. That would make no sense. If we were talking Australian History that would be another matter (I've got a doozy of an example there but it's off topic so I'll leave it). What would the teachers in the education system have to gain from warping information on Einstein? None.

I seem to recall a detailed bibliography at the end although it may have been an appendix. That I'm not sure of.

Marieke - a good rote memory is standard for an Aspie. Now if Simen isn't an Aspie, and is here because of a sibling or other family member - then OK fair point. But it appears to me that the vast majority of members here are Aspies. Hence my comment.

It stated that he had affairs. Numbers were not specified.

Of course not. AS wasn't known when I was at school. It stated that he was an eccentric with "bad social habits" - which is what started the argument I referred to earlier in this thread.

HUH? I would have thought the connection was obvious! A spouse catching their beloved with another member of the opposite sex? Instant divorce!

That's the difference between the 30's and 40's and now. That was my point. Social penalties don't work anymore - so the divorce rates go up to compensate. Social penalties worked better back then so the divorce rates were low - along with what you said as well.

And that's another example of a bad social call.

Hilton's a bad example because she's a spoilt brat who always found someone else to blame - and it finally caught up with her. And I think you'll find that back in the 30's uncaring arseholes and the socially clueless were more often than not one in the same.

This is better! I prefer debating with you, Marieke! You disagree agreeably!

Funny. I would say she's been much better than you.

That's a fair reaction. Whatever you may think, asking you to prove something is not bad manners. I really don't know why you've taken this so personally, because it was never meant as an insult.

A good memory does not mean an infallible memory.

Perhaps because you dont have anything against her personally. I don't know why you have something against me.

Timelord, he is trying to tell you that anecdotes are not evidence or proof.

You are trying to pass of the idea that Einstein had ASD as fact without any ground. In reality, it is pure speculation at best. If you have different data or different information, we would of course like to see it. Also, you are trying to pass off a lot of stuff as fact when the sources I'm aware of contradict your claims.

Please document your sources, and quote where your textbook says this.

Timelord, you are also taking a couple of facts that you learned such as Einstein had affairs, and Eistein was eccentric, then using them to make several conjecutures.  You are then passing these conjectures off as fact rather than opinion.

Molotov, they are not anecdotes. They are facts. And I explained in my reply to Marieke as much as I could. If that's not enough for you, then I'm sorry if you don't believe me.

(ignores the other two posts).

Is that what you usually do? Ignore critics?

You've yet to provide any evidence.

You're not worth the effort.

I don't care much if Einstein was autistic, though it sounds very possible. I remember it was speculated in a National Geographic documentary I saw, though it didn't go much into detail of his personal life.

I think Einstein can be a source of inspiration for anyone who has a special interest.

So you don't want to talk to critics, because that would be too much effort?

I guess it's not worth the effort trying to criticize you, since you while consistently failing to document your claims also turn this into some sort of personal vendetta. Oh well.

'ey ppl!

Don't you get exhausted of provoking one another?

I was looking on the dreaded Cure Autism Now website.  For shame, they have not posted up their financial statements for 2006.  (I just wanted to see if they gave their CEO a raise again).  They are funding a few studies on the MMR vaccine.  So you see, they are fueling that too.

What's not worth the effort is me even talking to you about this - because you refuse to f***ing listen!! So why bother? Now do the board (if you wouldn't mind) as well as me a favour and shut up!

Talk to Simen, Erk. I'm acting in self defence! If he sees that as provocation then that's his problem, not mine.

Great pick up, M! Especially given that the Vaccine Court has now been provided with a lot of Andrew Wakefield's dirty laundry so the MMR blow up will get it's appropriate precedent in the US legal system. CAN CAN'T see that of course! (pun intended!)

Yeah, Simen prolly likes to criticize over smaller details. A solution could however be to ignore him, let him stay with his own thoughts about your posts.

Yeah, but the thing is is that if Timelord can't really answer any of his critics in an adequate way then he loses his credibility.

So unless Timelord comes up with documentation or at least a way to defend his argument in a credible manner there really is no reason to take credence in his argument.

You can't just walk away from an argument by ignoring a person, or by attacking the person, that is Ad Hominem and/or Poisoning the Well.

Molotov, I won't tolerate being accused of lying. That's what has caused this to fly out of hand - his refusal to just admit that he believes I'm lying, and the fact that I'm not.

Anyway - I've answered my critics in the best way I can. If that's not enough for them then they have the problem, not just with me but with the school I attended and the relevant authorities. By attacking me, the critics are attacking the system as well. It was after all THEIR text that was studied (as in it's what they brought in).

Thanks for your support, Erk. I would ignore him except for his persistent baiting by pressing all my wrong buttons with these "he's a liar" variations that require a response. It's impossible to talk to someone who just refuses to listen. Good point about the little things.

With that said, I think I'll leave this thread alone from now on. This is my last post on this thread - and Simen goes onto my ignore list. (I wish that worked on the forum and not just PM!)