Yes, these kinds of things do not help our cause one bit.  :cry:

I don't doubt that when pushed, we can have extreme responses. The thing that gets me though, is this comment:

"He told doctors after his arrest that he 'quite liked' violence and may "feel it necessary" to kill again."

That doesn't say "aspie" to me.

Yeah it doesn't seem very aspie-ish to me either.

What I can't see is why somebody would care enough working in a McDonalds to kill someone if they are going to get you sacked. If you didn't like the person I'm sure you could get a job in another one, there is probably another McDonalds just around the corner.

I was going to say that you can't get sacked for having aspergers, but he didn't find out that he "had it" till afterwards.

I am also totally appalled at what Jason_6404 wrote.  It is sick, twisted and evil.  

To call Jackie Marshall,  the woman who Shane Freer murdered,  as "the NT"  is to dehumanise her.  Like calling a Jewish person who is murdered "the Jew".    

Fortunately  it is extremely unlikely that any of Mrs Marshall's family or friends will ever read Jason_64's hate-filled opinion.   However there should be an 'official' repudiation by Amy and Gareth  on behalf of AFF of what Jason_64 wrote, so that everyone who reads  this thread will know that we do not condone or approve of murder in any way.

Well, what I mean is that by them saying "His Aspergers made him act out and murder someone", the message they're sending out is "Aspergers sufferers may stab you to death without warning, they can't help it though".

Which is similar to how schizophrenia was mistakenly portrayed for years (And led to people stepping very carefully around them)

I totally 100% agree.

I have complained to Amy but she has not even opened my PM yet - perhaps she is away for the weekend. I hope that when she reads what has been written some action will be taken to distance AFF from such a sick comment.

I glanced at the news story in the link.
From what I read, this seems like only more media hype.
In the USA media, we get a lot of this "reverse profiling" of the subject after the incident.
Someone (often described as a 'disgruntled employee' ) goes barking mad, then injures or kills people.
The next step is the media regurgitates stuff like "People we interviewed say he/she was a loner",  "He/she read books (or) spent a lot of time on the computer".  
'Right from wrong' sounds like drugs or a severe mental disorder, not AS.  Never mind the harm done to the AS community or to anyone who is quiet or a bit of a loner.  The media needs to sell newspapers or airtime at any cost and will viciously defend their turf.  Catch the media telling lies and they will cry about their civil rights.

i hope this doesn't mean that autistics will now be known as violent killers.  i try not to be viloent and i have self control....will they claim autism robs people of self control?  i know alot of non autistic people who have no self control what so ever.

and the guy, i think he's something else.  i bet they just digaosed him as autistic as some kind of master plan to make us look bad.  they want us gone forever.

I agree, we're probably the least likely to murder anyone or commit other violent crimes. If anything, that person was more of a sociopath than aspie, based strictly on his actions as I'm no psychiatrist. The last thing we need is to be stereotyped as killers, that could lead to more abuse of aspie or autistic children and adults.

I don't know the guy or anything, so this is just me completely talking out of my butt....but I would bet that they might have diagnosed him that way to get him a more lenient sentence when the time comes. I mean, the judge has probably heard a million "temporary insanity" pleas and a million "the voices told him to do it" defenses, but how many times has a judge probably heard "but he's autistic and didn't know any better!" Probably very few times, if ever. Poor understanding of the condition on the part of the judge could lead to him getting off much lighter.

Or at least that's what I think would happen here in the US. I don't know a lot about how your legal system works there in the UK.

well I guess you guys dont know what its like to be bullied and harrassed.  why else would he have done that?  

and yes he sounds a lot like an aspie to me, one that was bullied all his life.  I dont know about you guys but in my opinion, if an NT harrasses someone with AS they need to be punished and that NEVER happens because the NT is able to look real nice in front of the media and everybody where someone with AS cant.  I've been through that more then you can imagine.

From grade 3 to grade 11 I've been harrassed verbally, psychologically and physically, every school day of my life and what happened if I tried to do something about it, I WAS THE BAD GUY.  

WE are ALWAYS the bad guys.  So what was he to do, nobody would stand for him.

Do you guys agree what they said about AS in general?  if you do then you are pretty misinformed.  

If they can lie about AS whos to say they cant lie about the situation.  That guy with AS was being harassed and nobody beleived him.  DON'T LISTEN TO THE MEDIA.  They take stories and they twist them beyond belief for attention and money.  Gossip is bad, gossip for money is worse.

OK, so maybe that was a bit extreme what I said, but think, what would have happened if he didn't act out, he would have gotten fired and all the NTs would be laughing and would have gotten away with **** another aspie.

look at what happened to me, last year I was being bullied at school for a whole year and the teachers didnt beleive me.  Read at what the media said about ME!

http://police.sudbury.on.ca/archive.php?...om=&ucat=&


I was carrying a weapon for self defense.  I was also sick and tired of being harassed and embarassed in front of everyone.  the media made me look like a god damn psychopath.

BTW this guy was more then twice my size at 6"2 and 300+ lbs where I am 5"6 and 130 lbs.  BUT I WAS STILL THE BAD GUY.

I wanted to go to school, get an education and live a normal life, but noooooooo, I had to get ****** out of it, but it's all my fault for some reason, yep, I'm the bad guy.  The other guy was some innocent little bully that had no other choice but to feed his wants, a mans gotta eat.  And anyways, the bullied is a useless aspie, he went out asking for it.  

Wait till something like this happens to you.  Then you'll understand the types of situations that aspies have to live with.

Think again jelly bean.

Not everybody who is bullied and harrassed turns to murder or even turns to supporting the murder of others.

There could be a multitude of reasons. According to what has been reported, the murderer was fired for bad behaviour towards customers. The fact that he went back and murdered his supervisor re-inforces the fact that he had no place working in civilised society. In other words, that it is a pity he even got the job in the first place.

A 'bit extreme'??? What you said was ill-thought out prattling and WRONG.

All he did was prove the point of anybody who hates or fears Aspies.

You were using brass knuckles to attack another person and you obviously have not learned that that is totally unacceptable behaviour. You ought to be totally ashamed of yourself - I have absolutely NO sympathy with you whatsoever. YOU WERE THE BAD GUY. YOU MADE YOURSELF the bad guy - the bully didn't make you so - you did that to YOURSELF.

I wish borstal still existed - and that you were sent to it... but alas this is no longer the case.

A young thug feeling sorry for his poor little diddums self. You get absolutely NO sympathy from me for acting like a dumb thug.

Since I have NEVER carried any concealed weapon... regardless of what I was faced with... getting arrested for such is not likely to happen to me.

You honestly feel you are a special case and that others have not faced repeated ridicule, harrassment and bullying at school and departmental mobbing at work. Think again. But we are not STUPID enough to react in the way YOU did.

I am Appauled at what you wrote supporting murder.

I am appauled at what you did in that link (if it was you).

I am ashamed that you are one who claims to be on the Autistic Spectrum.

I am NOT impressed by you... I am disgusted.

OK, well, I guess you like being bullied?  But not all of us are like that, some of us actually care about our freedom and DONT find it pleasurable to be someones b1tch.  

You tell me, do you agree with an entire workplace harrassing someone cause he's an aspie???

and everything you say is basicly from what you read in the article, anyone who beleives the media is a "jelly bean" in my opinion.  

and did you read the news article about me?  How do you explain that?

Anyone who beleives gossip, especially gossip for money (the media) is too low functioning to think outside of their little box.