Seriously... the more Jason posts the more he shows his true colours. And they're not a pretty shade.

Jason, quick tip.

Put away the JCB, Shovel and Jackhammer, and stop digging yourself deeper  :grin:

Noctivagus it's worthless arguing with a teenager they know everything and are never wrong. :roll:

Every once and a while one of these bullied hotheads. Usually they rage and tough act is a cover for a huge Inferiority complex. This one actually is actually acted out his violent thoughts.

Jason can I ask a question. If this guy got that mad for you messing up his truck, how mad do you think he is over you messing up his face and getting him arrested. He has no reason to fear you after all you just showed him that your afraid to face him without a weapon. And he probably could get weapons of his own and better ones(a baseball bat perhaps). Do you really expect a guy like this to simply go away and lick his wounds?

Perhaps "The Media" will be more fair towards you when they write your obiturary.

Coming back to the actual murder:

In 2003 an Aspie woman  wrote an article for her website in which she compares Asperger Syndrome and Antisocial Personality Disorder  (formerly called sociopathic).  That article cannot be accessed, but I printed it when I read it,  and here are extracts from it:      

"Asperger Syndrome:  May be violent in panic or extreme anger.

Shows remorse for temper/ violence...and behaves awkwardly for a while after such events.

Finds violence or other's pain frightening...or distressing, may appear indifferent/blank if under stress."


"Antisocial Personality Disorder:  Violence is calculated and purposeful.

No remorse for such happenings (may act remorse to people in authority e.g. teachers, judges)

Finds violence and pain amusing or interesting.  May act condolences to people if powerful (ie for their own later gain)  or if given excuse to violent towards 'perpetrator' (ie demanding or enacting violence against person thought to cause initial problem as 'punishment')".

And that is why I wonder at the McDonalds Murder's diagnosis of Asperger's (after the fact of the crime). His actions seem more in line with Sociopathy than in line with Asperger's Syndrome... mind you, as said elsewhere... he could be both Aspie and Psycho.

Goodness knows the savage internal conflict between the two opposites in somebody both biologically Aspie and mentally Sociopath.

It was the bit about "quite enjoying violence" that got me. I wonder if he truly is Aspie, too. He hardly seemed to worry or care about the family and friends of the woman he murdered and how they are now suffering.

Yes. He doesn't sound at all Autistic in his attitude.

Yes, the only way he could be is if he had some comorbid condition such as antisocial personality disorder.

Listen, I was/am bullied and harrased. Why we can't just call bullying what it is: plain and simple ABUSE is beyond me but that's btp. I partly forced, partly encouraged myself to have an obessive phase with legalistion. Long story short, instead of carrying weapon around, I now never go anywhere without keys or deordant or something like that. Legally, you're allowed to defend yourself with some everyday item like that.

Jason, it's an old saying, but a true one,  "Violence Begets more violence."
It's just a self perpetuating thing.  I have revenge fantasies like you wouldn't believe, but, thats it, they're fantasies and thats as far as they are going to go.  Mind you, if someone hurts my daughter or wife, then fantasy may become reality, depending upon opportunity.  Or if somebody corners me and I have no choice, then, yes, if I'm going down, I sure intend to drag somebody down with me.    I just don't intend to descend to the same level as the bullies and scumbags.

I don't know what the law is in the UK, but, there is a zero tolerance policy in almost all US schools about weapons or anything that could be used as a weapon.  Hell, kids have been suspended for bringing in nail clippers with files into school.

Maybe you think your being "real" or injecting "reality" into this forum, but, the reality is, there are better ways!

Peace

There's always the option of learning martial arts (although they are not to be misused). I know a young man who is fairly slightly built but he had a job as a doorman at one stage.

He has a double black belt in karate and that is quite a rare achievement. I don't know if he ever had to use it but it added a lot to his confidence that he could look after himself better if someone tried to attack.

I was a witness at that killing in Chichester McDonald's.

Does that affect people's comments on this forum? It's not good to kill someone, we know, whatever our condition - right?

There is nothing that justifies mindless murder, violence or anger!

Peace

Mark, that must have been very upsetting for you.

Terrible. It never leaves you.

I was most concerned to read Jason_6404's views. He seems very angry. I hope he's ok. In truth, the media were pretty accurate about  this case, simply describing what was said in court. While the offender is being treated, the family are still trying to shoulder the grief and irreparable burden of it all. They continue to suffer when 'treatment' for them is probably not possible.

Lets face it, the murderer's actions of mindless violence have hurt many more than his unfortunate victim.  Violence leaves its stain on many, as Mark's words show.

Peace