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ichtms
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RE: Inventing Languages
Dondrings! NyanChan. I saw you writing "KA-WA-III" somewhere, and immediately liked. So when I browsed through Makereti's "The Old-time Maori", I found the word "Kawai" (line of descent) and thought that to be a little to much of a coincident. Is Japanese and Maori related? What's your take on that? Dondrings!
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| 03-07-2007 09:21 PM |
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So far I know Kawaii means something like cute or sweet in Japanese and it is used like when theres a cute manga figure or so.
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| 03-08-2007 12:10 PM |
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At langmaker.com they typically use the biblical tale of the Tower of Babel - appropriate subject matter, especially since it involves several different modes of communication (storytelling, variant sentence structures, dialogue, and other lingual nuances I'm too tired to further describe).
Here's one from my first "real" artificial language (artlang), Sulekhï:
1 geb reï golth segelï a leï bamog lothï yel leï hoïng kolï.
(Now the whole world had one language and a common speech.)
2 geb zul threï ïlo govu kathï, geb skuvravu leï shet fel shinar, yel blugyavu mesharï.
(As the men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there.)
3 geb hoïvavu bel thleï inqyeno-bin, "stil mukavu thleï akhuro yel stil vekhavu yamï ba."
(They said to each other, "Let's make bricks and bake them well.")
4 krel geb hoïvavu, "stil bahïvu leï vizhul mel threï inqyeno-nin, sel leï lïrzh zil shrilu bel reï zhestïyan. zil mob ïsavu threï inqyeno-nin, yel hab mavu kalïshe rel threï tergo."
(Then they said, "Let's build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches toward Heaven, so we can make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the Earth.")
5 kal geb agerah oru ïltï mel zhu reï vizhul yel reï lïrzh, vïr mavu bahe suel threï ïlo.
(But God came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building.)
6 yel geb agerah hoïvu, "ob zhavauvu rïzh suel hoïvh kel leï bamog lothï, krel mob zoth zhe suel ba tazhu."
(And God said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan cannot be done.)
7 "stil maravu ïltï, yel gelyavu reï bamog-bin, shel hab razhdavu threï inqyeno-bin.
("Let's go down and confuse their language so that they will not understand each other.")
8 geb shel agerah kalïshu ba rel threï tergo, yel threï ïlo geb khulgorvu reï vizhul-bin.
(So God scattered them all over the Earth, and they abandoned the city.)
9 rïzh mu nem ïsu beïbl - mel geb agerah gelyu mesharï reï bamog golthï, yel geb agerah kalïshu ba rel threï tergo.
(Which is why it is called Babel - because there God confused the language of the whole world. From there God scattered them over the face of the Earth.)
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| 03-08-2007 12:15 PM |
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RE: Inventing Languages
Dondrings! NyanChan. I saw you writing "KA-WA-III" somewhere, and immediately liked. So when I browsed through Makereti's "The Old-time Maori", I found the word "Kawai" (line of descent) and thought that to be a little to much of a coincident. Is Japanese and Maori related? What's your take on that? Dondrings!
Speculations:
From what I know of Maori (which isn't a hell of a lot), the Maori people came to New Zealand in about 1200 AD, believed to have originated somewhere in China and to have travelled via the Pacific islands. There are many similarities between Maori tradition and language and that of the indigenous Hawaiians. (Both have carved figures called "tiki" and both mythographies have a semi divine folk hero, Maui.)
There are similar words in Japanese and Maori -- but the meanings are not similar. Like, "kai" is a shellfish in Japanese and food in Maori. "Mimi" in Japanese means ear, and in Maori it is a piddle. And the sound of the languages are very similar - although to my ear there are times when Maori sounds more like Pacific Island language or perhaps Indonesian. I speak neither of those so it's difficult to tell - There is a posibility that they are related, albeit very distantly. More closely related languages tend to have more similar meanings for same-sounding words.
Both also sound very syllabic, although Maori has no writing system of its own so it's difficult to tell if that connection exists or if it merely coincidence. Although, Maori culture apparently has strong similarities with the Ainu people of Hokkaido. (Ainu language is very tenuously related or possibly even unrelated to Japanese.)
So far I know Kawaii means something like cute or sweet in Japanese and it is used like when theres a cute manga figure or so.
Kudos, jedi. You are absolutely correct. (Kawaii means "cute" or, more literally, loveable.)
In kanji it is written like:
Ka = Possibility. Wai = Love (same symbol as "ai" -- love)... and "i" at the end makes an adjective.
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| 03-09-2007 03:16 AM |
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I have only recently started to develop this language, so the grammar's a bit sketchy and I don't have an alphabet yet.
Nutyo nafrit efena Julia um efe hushyo Lengwana pon, "Teppery".
They call me Julia and this is my language, Teppery.
Ziryo minuyo Kityo Raghna spoolunna hapu ober.
The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
Pon kyna Dezyo moll daddell jumyo Watepyo shu nutem Kantreewa ellapna.
Now is the time for all good people to come to the aid of their country.
Nayeyo shu Collajna fo moll Berubunwa vomwa, Kainsyo shu Jupittana fo tag estunily vom.
Girls go to college to get more knowledge, boys go to Jupiter to get more stupider. (It's not grammatically correct in my language, either.)
Jellayo swoom Zwayna kipikkayo bikna. Fallityo dishbanbanyo pon lapu Beksyo ser krakkomna grallitna Chirisna shew la Ahrowa.
Sparkling cumulus clouds fill the sky. The dark, yellow-orange leaves are falling like small, broken birds shot down by an arrow.
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| 03-10-2007 04:13 PM |
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RE: Inventing Languages
Blue sky, actually, in that last sentence. "Bik" means blue. Man, I wish there was an edit button.
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| 03-10-2007 04:16 PM |
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I have tried inventing my own languages, but never really had the time to think of the details (grammar, syntax, etc.)
Tim
When you need something, that's a responsibility, that only an adult...of my maturity...Bunnies!
~Meatwad, from Aqua Teen Hunger Force
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| 03-10-2007 04:41 PM |
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Learning and studying foreign languages is one of my special interests.
Tim
When you need something, that's a responsibility, that only an adult...of my maturity...Bunnies!
~Meatwad, from Aqua Teen Hunger Force
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| 03-11-2007 09:52 PM |
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RE: Inventing Languages
Hey everybody, I like inventing languages, I'm an Aspie that just can't stop learning languages:
I have my own fantasy world: Munde Àyn (Pronounced: Meunde ' Eye - n)
Languages atm: Kanùsskan
Sample Text:
What is your name? My name is LoftyD!
Anò càhèhì hwìnò? Mìla càhèhì hwìnò LoftyD!
I have it as a forum text based RPG. http://loftyd.freehostia.com/phpBB2, make sure you join the usergroup "Munde Àyn RPG Center". You can then fill out profile fields exclusive to that group.
Get a free email forward {???@loftyd.net}!
Sign up at http://www.loftyd.net to get one.
Also, have a sneak peak at my RPG game.
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| 04-14-2007 10:05 PM |
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LoftyD
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RE: I know a website for user-created languages!
go to http://www.langmaker.com, and sign up (its wikipedia based).
IF you are a member already, tell me ya username!
Mines TSK_Ben
Get a free email forward {???@loftyd.net}!
Sign up at http://www.loftyd.net to get one.
Also, have a sneak peak at my RPG game.
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| 04-16-2007 10:21 AM |
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babuyagu
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I've always done this but I have never been successful. One time I got to 500 words that I memorised and grammar that I knew.
I wonder why Autistics seem to enjoy doing this? Maybe we should brainstorm some important characteristics of artificial languages devised by and for Autistics so that we can create them more easily.
For a start I say they should be more literal and have strict grammar rules (for example: you can't rearrange words in a sentence and have them still make sense) and remove unnecessary words in sentences.
What about lojban, anyone? I haven't really looked at it.
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RE: Inventing Languages
I invented a whistling language a while ago - it probably doesn't qualify 100% as its own language, as it uses english phonemes...
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| 01-14-2008 07:23 AM |
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