This is a fantastic idea and I fully support it.

I have AS (Been diagnosed since I was a teen), and it did nothing to help
the constant ridicule/punishment from society.  

Being born (or aborted) free of AS is one thing which can help stop this
brutal flaw from perpetuating.

I know that if I did not have AS...my life would of been much...much better off.

I would of been married by now, a better job, happy basically.

Life with AS is like brain damage...it messes with you in ways you haven't
a clue...but everyone else notices.

[b]Yes, I want doctors to mandate abortions for defective fetuses.

I can guess why Dogme was probably banned.


I would not abort my baby if he had that gene. I would just accomodate for him. Yes, I would. There is a way.

Genocide is genocide, no matter how pretty you dress it up! People like this deserve nothing more than to be considered frauds and 'pseudoscientists' employed by places like Autism Squawks and MIND. They use scientific terms, they are given commendations by scientific 'organizations', but they're nothing like the REAL SCIENTISTS! (Einstein, Hawking, etc.)
The NT world is a dangerous place for us. I keep expecting to be going through the mall here in my town one day and see two NT kids beating an Spectrum kid with a guard standing by doing nothing. (The town in which I live has a bunch of NT bigots who can't accept change due to their narrow-minded religious views. one of the reasons I embrace science and fact over faith).
Whatever happens, the Autistic Community must STAND TOGETHER! Even those of us who feel that there is no threat of genocide will eventually become convinced. As for anyone who WANTS a cure or selective breeding to happen, find a way to hide your diagnosis and become an NT.
Too bad we can't somehow build a freakin' spaceship and find a nice, fertile planet in which we could actually have our own society. Nice dream; too bad it can't be done with today's tech.

*** them.

Pointless bumps are annoying.

But anyway, this isn't really about eliminating autism, it's about eliminating men. Which I think I could actually get behind- women are less likely to have genetic diseases, they consume less resources, etc, and there are numerous examples to demonstrate that they can successfully take on the aspects of current role of men if need be. I see no practical need for men, given that men are becoming less needed for reproduction (although women are too, artificial wombs and all). However, I take issue with abortion as a way of going about this. I'm also confused by the term "male embryo." Don't embryos start out as sexless/female? So rather than killing them we should just tell them to develop into a woman instead of a man.

I don't see this as being a huge issue, but I'm not really attached to the social aspects of gender, so it's just kind of a "why not" thing until we can start adding wings and that sort of thing.

I feel like I should object to this sentiment on my part but I don't really see the issue consciously.

So girls are immume to autism? 

This post was last modified: 01-26-2011 06:57 PM by InvaderMeer.

No, there are several women here on the Autism Spectrum, including myself.

This post was last modified: 01-26-2011 08:18 PM by violet_yoshi.

My aunt might have it too....

Embryos are genetically male or female.  

I think the numbers of women vs. men on the spectrum is 50/50.  If autism is genetic and not X-linked, then why would there be more men than women?  Its a difference in expression, or perhaps females have better coping skills and social skills and are thus able to fly under the radar more often.  I don't think statistics regarding diagnosis are representative of actual autism.

My conventional knowledge about this is that Aspie females "fall under the radar".  Consider this:  Aspie boys tend to be more "sissylike"; being hyper sensitive to certain stimuli, crying easily, not being naturally agressive, not being athletically inclined.  These characteristics make an Aspie boy "stick out like a sore thumb", and such traits are typically punished; including abuse by parents and teachers and the permissiveness of NT peer bullying.  An Aspie girl is likely to at least be more likely to get protection from authority figures (such as the teacher.)

In hindsight, I can remember 4th. grade.  There is this one girl who I beleive had/has Asperger Syndrome,  As we know, CAPD is a typical characteristic for somebody having Asperger Syndrome.  I can't count the times I got scolded and/or written up in school for not paying attention or following the teacher's direction.  Well, I remember this girl was once crying in class and shaking because she "got lost" following the teacher's directions.  The teacher "babied" her; I mean comforted her to reasure her to try her best,; that she could learn, etc.  An Aspie boy in that circumstance would have been scolded for "acting like a baby"; which would have caused him to cry even more rather than "get his act together".

That reminds me of an episode of Married...With Children, where Kelly started crying after failing a driving lesson. Al bought her some clothes and ice cream, and asked if she felt better, and she said "I think so". After seeing this Bud who was also in the car thought, if he cried thwn he'd get free stuff, but the minute he started crying Al told him to be a man, and knock it off.

I'm a woman myself. I did NOT fly under the radar as a kid because of my obsessions and because I was insanely agressive to everyone.  I just think it is so silly to remove all the boys because they don't want their kids to have autism.  I hope their "perfect" daughter is autistic.

This post was last modified: 01-28-2011 03:42 AM by InvaderMeer.

Let them doctors screen out embryos with autism. Screen 'em all they want, lol, how are they going to stop us from being born? If we're all proud to be the way that we are (which I assume we all are otherwise we wouldn't be here now would we?) then chances are we'll be accepting to having autistic children. After all, we are evolution, and evolution requires reproduction of the fittest, not merely survival of the fittest. And as long as we're reproducing how are they going to breed us out of the gene pool? They can't!

1)  Perfection isn't possible...because even if all humans were what we would consider to be perfect, then there would always still be a segment of the population that would be labeled as imperfect by the ones who believe that they are perfect.
2) This whole thing honestly is ridiculous.  People have lost their minds.  Eugenism, Lack of Empathy, and a desire for more money are driving this hatred.  
3) Even when all of this is still happening, what are we going to do?  Have we taken action to stop them?  So far, I haven't heard of any protests by any AS organization.
4) While it may be true that Autism can be more present in males than in females, alot of females and males seem to equally have AS.

People have to realize that they cannot act this way.  Eugenism is one of the worst scourges that can affect human society.   I think that the AS community must take a firmer and much more active, organized stance when dealing with this trash.  There are absolutely no ifs and buts about it.

   Precisely.  I've heard the way to go to handle bullying in school as a guy is to tell an authority figure to "please watch me closely, some kids often start trouble with me" without identifying which kids so it's not tattling when they get caught in the act.
  Not being (traditionally) athletically inclined/coordinated is a bear as well...I was the fastest distance runner in my school, but was called a liar for "claiming" it at first and told "that doesn't count, it's a wussy sport" when I started raking in formal awards.  The best way I have found to resolve this is to get buff...but body chemistry among Aspies as I've seen (so many of them are ectomorphic builds) tends to make this tricky, requiring a strict high-nutrient high-calorie diet and lots of sprint and pylometric or body-resistance weight training to get anywhere.

   The other issue is being called a "creep".  Basically anything you do odd seems and/or trying to get the attention of someone you soon find out doesn't like you seems to be able to get the "creep" label.  And, low and behold, once you get that label, people watch you very closely for social crimes.  And, as a guy, this means things like false stalking/sexual-harrassment/and even drug charges "oh your eyes look funny, have you been smoking illegal Mary Jane?"
   And then there is the drama label.  If people are treating you unfairly, making jokes about you or otherwise, and you say "hey, I don't deserve this" and give evidence of your innocence...people will often say you are "starting drama" or "just trying to get attention".  This often coincides with arguing in any way with the natural state of the social scale...which is to avoid taking the time or risking "reputation" to understand your "weirdness" and, indirectly, single you out quickly.
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   The real question in my mind is...can we find a way to deal with these issues that is >not< based on the idea of making those with Aspergers "bend over backward" to match the style of NTs but, rather, agree on something in the middle and compromise?
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  IMO the main reason doctors and parents are so scared of Aspergers is the idea their children will lead miserable lives being told to hate who they are and/or the parents will simply feel like social losers themselves as many of their past friends drift away and mock their (socially) "dumb" kids.
  Perhaps a second one is parents can't afford a lifestyle to get their/any Aspie children treated fairly.  My parents managed to pay for private schools to escape bullying and such...but that's tens of thousands of dollars a year and some parents (myself included) just can't afford that without financial assistance.

  It has also been shown repeatedly that people with Aspergers have normal to above normal intelligence across the board...except in (NT-standard) social skills.  They aren't predisposed to criminal activity because of it, they don't die earlier, they aren't worse at their jobs when given a fair chance at jobs and typically have less turnover (turnover being costly to the employer) once employed.
  In fact, you could even argue Aspies do social skills better in some ways (honest, direct, well spoken, very loyal, very ethical) and NTs could learn a few things from them as well as we can from NTs.


  So I believe the idea of "cleaning" Aspies from the gene pool doesn't really make any sense...we aren't less capable in the first place; we simply have our talents distributed differently than most people.