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RE: Declaring ourselves a minority group

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Gareth Wrote:

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Gareth Wrote:
We already should have human rights enforced - but this isn't happening in a lot of cases. It is still legal to discriminate on the basis of autism, so long as the person being discriminated against is not disabled. Minority group status is how we ensure such discrimination is made unlawful.


Simply changing the discrimination on the basis of disability to discrimination on basis if a medical condition would be just as as effective and without all the whiny crap and hoopla that you seem to wanna push Gareth.


The Zack, I agree with you. From studying American history, I know that declaring oneself as a minority group does not work. The only way to get our civil rights is to fight for those rights. One must say to oneself, "I am a/an (name of nationality) and I believe that because of (reason of discrimation) that my civil rights are being denied, so I must fight for those civil rights."

The main reason that autistics are being discriminated against is not because having a disability, but because autism is MISUNDERSTOOD. Many parents with autistic kids have not heard of autism until their kids was dx.

Educating the public about autism is the best way to get rid of the igorance and discrimiation against autistics.

Gareth, let me ask you a question. Have you actually studied United States history, especially the women suffrage, racial civil rights, women rights, disability rights, and the LGBT rights movements? All these movements, the groups fought for their civil rights as Americans WITHOUT DECLARING THEMSELVES AS A MINORITY GROUP.

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/...reich.html


Do you really think mere education is enough to eliminate discrimination and that laws to prevent it would not be beneficial at all?
You're also falling into the fallacy of thinking that we can't do both when in fact we can and should.


I am saying that education is a start for better understanding among the people and with the people being educated, the better chance of a "Declaration of Rights of People with Autism" will be ratified by the governments. As for the UN, it is more complex because the UN could pass treaties in the General Assembly with the member governments ratify those treaties and even if the government does ratify that treaty, it may not actually enforce it.

Let's take the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) and the country of Iran for example. UNCRC focus on children's rights and in Article 37(A), it says, "No child shall be subjected to torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. Neither capital punishment nor life imprisonment without possibility of release shall be imposed for offenses committed by persons below eighteen years of age." Iran had executions of minors before ratifying the treaty and once they ratified it, one may believe that the executions of minors have stop, but guess what, they didn't.

Getting a treaty ratified is one thing, enforcing it is another thing. Iran signed and ratified the UNCRC, but it is not enforcing it.





Here is the UN site UN Enable, which focus on people with disabilities. http://www.un.org/disabilities/


I forgot the UNCRC link. http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm


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Declaring ourselves a minority group - Amy - 11-12-2004, 10:28 PM
RE: Declaring ourselves a minority group - tlcoopi7 - 12-19-2008 09:47 AM
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