Quack quack!

i disagree - it's about equality of opportunity, and THAT is where huge strides can be made in making the world more "aspie-friendly".  and it starts with education, as do most such things.

as an example, look at people with epilepsy.  they used to be incarcarated in lunatic asylums, until people realised they weren't "mad", and treatment became available for them.  as a teacher, i am well aware of what to do in the case of a child having an epileptic seizure ("fit"), as are most teachers - education about epilepsy has worked.

and, contrary to people here and on other boards, i really don't believe that NTs have any particular agenda against aspies specifically - most don't even know what ASD is all about, but then they don't know about what it's like to have CP, HI, depression, infertility, etc., etc., either.  anyone who doesn't fit into people's nice, comfortable little scheme of how people should be causes fear and a feeling of threat, the threat of the unknown.

education is the key.

we live in a world set up for NTs.  people with VI and HI and physical disabilities live in a world predominantly set up for the able-bodied.  concessions have been made to provide disability access, through education and then legislation.  but consider this - disability access might mean installing very bright lighting in, for example, shopping centres, for people with VI.  this would be torture for some aspies, myself included.  what does one choose to do in this instance?  who comes first - the person with VI or the person with ASD?  decsions are made for the majority (or, most likely, for the majority with the most political clout as voters ).

the three-step process is one which tends to work - problem, solution, strategy.  in this case, it would be:

1.  this is what it's like to have ASD, and these are the diffiiculties we face.
2.  this is what we'd like to be different.
3.  this is how it could be done.

and THEN, the negotiations, start...

just thought i'd chuck in my considered thoughts, based on my experiences in fighting "political" and social causes , incidentally (several decades worth).

Hi Morgaine  

For your point about epilepsy, auties, aspies and those with epilepsy were locked up in the past (some people have both conditions), and as with auties and aspies now, epileptics still dont get a fair deal a lot of the time.

For your points -

"the three-step process is one which tends to work - problem, solution, strategy. in this case, it would be:

1. this is what it's like to have ASD, and these are the diffiiculties we face.
2. this is what we'd like to be different.
3. this is how it could be done."

Err, that is what we are doing already....

hi morgaine


I would respond to you but I dont respond to trolls with an agenda. You try to seem like one thing but you true to aim to shutdown all discussion, The only discussion you want among aspies is the inane moronic discussion that you do on WP

Whoa Asman, thats not exactly educational dialogue is it now?

Morgaine is entitled to her opinion like everyone else, and to come up with suggestions, this isnt WP, so what goes on there is irrelevant here.

ok

Amy

I will "quit it"". I know that such inane dialogue can be mildly amusing at times. and I know mich enjoys it. Which is really the nicest thing about it !LOL

this is precisely why i don't post on threads like this very often here.

asman, get off my back, would you?  i have no argument with you, personally, just a series of questions which, for others' information, have yet to be answered - some of them i see simon baron-cohen also brought up in his email.  you think you know me so well, but you have absolutely no idea at all.  i refuse to dignify the rest of your post with a reply.

sorry amy, and everyone else, if i sound as though i'm having a go at asman, but i've put up with this elsewhere, and ignored it, but it's just getting ridiculous.

yes it is

I believe I answered many of questions.  What other questions DO you have?

It  IS a questions of rights! look at ABA where children are given aversives and treated like the prisoners at ABU Ghraib. They called that a human rights abuse and issue. So why doesnt the same logic apply to ABA?

that is truly the fundamental Question.

posted on 1st december, 2004.

perhaps someone could take the points one by one for me.  thank you.

Sure vetivert.
We will tackle it shortly.

"Equality of Opportunity" is an empty political slogan.  Opportunities cannot be measured, or readily quantified.

Human Rights can be, and are, formulated as legal instruments.

Our wish to  identify ourselves as a minority group in our own right is for us alone to make.

Stella

Simply declaring ourselves as a separate group of people as NTs would educate many people who think we are just the same as they are deep down, but in need of re-education.

If you want rights you firstly have to ask for them, make a declaration, otherwise the assumption is that you are incapable or not disadvantaged.

What makes Aspergian identity politics a significant departure from earlier forms of the politics of recognition is our demand for recognition on the basis of the very grounds on which recognition was previously denied us: it is as autistics that we demand recognition. The demand is not for inclusion within the fold of “universal humankind” on the basis of shared human attributes; nor is it for respect “in spite of” our differences. Rather, what is demanded is respect for ourselves  as different.

Stella