Absolutely.

Having been married very happily for 13 years to a woman who has always loved for who I am and the AS that I am; it makes no difference if you don't let it.

Aspie innocence is highly valued as we do what the NT's only wish they could do. We say what we truly think, don't lie, are incredibly honest and very caring...against NT's who can lie, cheat, play politics & sleaze. You tell me.

I know that sounds bitchy, but disprove it!!

Sex is not a right or even a genuine need and I find the notion that the state should be supporting an exploitative, degrading and misogynistic industry like prostitution which reduces people (mainly women) and their bodies to the role of a commodity to be absolutely abhorrent. And I don't actually believe there to be much of a connection between prostitution and sexual deprivation since surveys have found that the majority of male clients are already in a stable relationship - what they enjoy in our patriarchal capitalist society is the sense of power they have over the prostitute (they pay and they can do whatever they want with her body).

Besides the fact that it's "KA-waii" that means cute. (KO-waii actually means "scary" - an innocent, unintentional mistake, I am sure.) But I digress.

Aspie woman says, men are hard to understand too. So it's not just you. Maybe she's as nervous as you are. Maybe you should join a club or something, and you can meet someone who's interested in the same things as you and you will have heaps to talk about. yay. :lol: [/quote]

And what about the girls who want to become porn stars? Prostitution now is as you say it is, but if you look at the way our society deigns relationships, you'd realize that it's pretty ****** up. The NT way of mating involves strict heterosexual monogamy, which as we've seen ends in a high divorce rate and lots of neurosis. I'm not saying marriage has no functional value, I'm just saying the way we do it has no functional value. Read some heinlein books and open your eyes. I suggest (strongly) "Time Enough for Love" and "To Sail Beyond the Sunset".

Perhaps you ought to be reading less Heinlein!

Stable marriage is anything but the NT way... a huge amount of NTs do not stick to 'strict heterosexual monogamy' - if they did then Venerial Diseases (or STDs if you prefer a rose by any other name...) would be rare things indeed.

Indeed, because Autistics are known for their loyalty, their awkwardness with deception, their adherence to rules, their difficulties with social situations... Strict Heterosexual Monogamy is quite possibly more common among Autistics in relationships than among the general NT population.

When non-monogamy was considered more shameful, the divorce rate was much lower than it is today in today's 'liberated' society.

So yes... perhaps less Heinlein (if that is what you learn from Robert's novels) and more factual literature and current affairs (no pun intended).

Crumbs, anybody would think you considered Robert Heinlein to be some sort of L. Ron Hubbard, with you taking his fictions as if fact to live by.

He has some good ideas, but you pretty much restated my point. However, strict heterosexual monogamy is pretty much what NTs like to idolize. Whether or not hypocritical behavior is their norm is beside the point. My point was that they try to force it on eachother and follow their ideal until they become neurotic and end up unfaithful and divorced. If they wouldn't enforce such nonsense standards on themselves in the first place, they might not end up so neurotic. The only pragmatic purpose of marriage (besides solidifying jealousy into a contract of law) is to provide a contract under which children can be raised. Who's to say that two parents is the optimal number for that anyway? Especially when it ends up one parent far too often. Four or six parents would be much better since the responsibility would be spread out over a group, and what if one child has special needs (kinda like us)? If you have two NT parents trying to do that, it's no wonder they go nuts. Keep this one thing in mind though: it's only being unfaithful if your partner doesn't agree to it.

No I stated the near opposite to that which you stated.

Strict Heterosexual Monogamy is not Strict Heterosexual Monogamy but is Strict Heterosexual Monogamy by proclaimation only and not by fact if stated by a hypocrite who does not, in reality, adhere to it.

So what are we discussing? Actual Strict Heterosexual Monogamy or Hypocrisy... they are NOT the same thing - yet you appear to be compounding them.

Monogamy does NOT lead to unfaithfulness, or divorce because to do so it would, of necessity, no longer be in truth Monogamy.

I would say that neurotic and unfaithful, and the divorce rate is actually a direct responce to our current permissive society.

As for more parents than just two... traditionally, isn't that what Grandparents are supposed to be for? An extended familiar support system.

Parental strain is more down to current working society and tax systems than thinking that two isn't sufficient. In days gone by one parent would stay home usually... now I don't care if it is the Father or the Mother... but this is the ideal.

Those extra people are grandparents and any uncles/aunties older brothers/sisters.  Today's idea of the "nuclear family" (mum + dad + 2 children + dog +cat) is actually a very recent phenomenon, and not something that many countries follow.  Instance Sri Lanka, where my husband was born and brought up. Three generations of interrelated families lived in the same house and all helped to bring up the (many) children.  It sounds terribly claustrophobic to me, but I'm an Aspie, I like my space and privacy.  Indeed, it's been hypothesised that were it not for such extended family groups (particularly grandmothers who hit a certain age and can't reproduce any more, freeing them to concentrate solely on their grandchildren) the human race would not be here now.  Interestingly, there are only two other creatures besides us in the world where the females commonly reach menapause and live well beyond it.  They are orca whales and African elephants, both of whom live in matriarchal-dominated herds.    
Alison

The only reason why girls aspire to such an occupation is because of the roles assigned to women by sexist male dominated society, the way in which society values women according only to how they look and to how much sexual gratification they can provide men with.

That's far from true.  Lots of people, male and female, get a real thrill being watched in sexual situations.  It's perfectly natural to get such a thrill, after all the sex drive is the second strongest in general after the survival instinct.  Most sexually reproduced animal species (particularly the males) actually compromise their survival ability to some degree to support tremendous sexual displays that attract not only females but predators.  Frogs singing, fireflies lighting, male combat in many species - these all put the males at risk for their survival by risking injury or predation.

We are not a "sexist dominated society" nearly so much as we are a sex dominated species.  That's not to say that there isn't sexism and that it's not related to power, but let's face it: food, shelter (to include clothing as needed) and sex are the three basic needs of humans in general.

There are lots of sites like privatepornmovies.com where people make movies of themselves and post them - free - on the internet for the enjoyment of others.  They do this because it excites them.  They share with others the joy they feel when they do it.  They do it for many reasons, but all of them are purely voluntary, because they get something they want out of it.

Haplo, I respect your intellligence, but in this case because of your professed asexuality, you really can't know what you're talking about here.  The sex drive is awesome and powerful, and I would be perfectly happy to make a living in the sex industry, though my NT wife wouldn't like "sharing" me with others.  I think it'd be a lot more exciting than what I'm doing now.

WB

The state should not be supporting any industry, at all.  When the power of the state is used to meddle in industry, that industry will suffer, and all people connected to that industry will suffer--EXCEPTING for the apparatchiks who directly benefit from such state support, of course.

Ever hear of any cultures other than your own?

Humans, unlike animals, are a thinking species and they do not have predetermined roles which must be fulfilled. Sex, in my view, cannot possibly equate with food and shelter as a need since people can survive perfectly without it (as I have) although certainly male dominated capitalist society does all it can to make people falsely believe they do need it.

It is not entirely vountary if people are constantly told by society and the media that this a desirable thing for them to do. Throughout history people have felt excited by all sorts of harmful things, harmful either to themselves or others, so the fact that something might happen to be enjoyable to a particular person in a particular type of society doesn't make it inherently good.

When did I profess that? I don't remember doing so at any point.. I'm a straight up horny *** =\.

Yeah, and for a lot of those either don't have divorce or else it isn't a big deal. The main problem is that cultures like that are mostly African. They know nothing of VD or how aids is spread or even how it works. That makes things less than optimal, and the people who go to africa to 'help' them refuse to tell them why or how they're getting aids.

Well, I don't see why any of my taxes should go towards state sponsored brothels or the like. If people want to go to those places, they should use their own money and not expect the taxpayers to fund them. Going to a brothel or seeing a prostitute is a want, not a need. There are way way more important things we Aspies need funded first.

How about vocational agencies, affordable housing, legal advocacy services, and pensions? I think state sponsored brothels should be right at the bottom of the list - what a silly, silly idea to think taxpayers should pay for them.

Most people who go to prostitutes are married, anyway.

Walking Bear, I wonder if your wife is aware of how you are thinking. If so, no wonder things aren't so good in bed for you. I wouldn't like to think of my spouse/boyfriend wanting to do it with other people and especially getting paid.

I also wonder if you really are Aspie. I would have a few doubts.