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Alien life!
Fun yet depressing thought experiment:
Going off the pure size of the universe, there's gotta be another planet out there somewhere which evolved intelligent life, however due to the massive distance involved the probability of it ever getting in physical contact with mankind is incredibly low.
What's worse is the temporal as well as spatial dimension - in other words, not only do we have to have some other alien life exist within reasonably close proximity spatially, it would have to have evolved within the same timeframe as us - it's possible billions of civilisations evolved and died out before homo sapiens popped up.
Long story short, mankind is.......

Forever alone


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RE: Alien life!
See that pale blue dot? That's our entire world

Feeling lonely yet?


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| 10-23-2012 03:42 PM |
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RE: Alien life!
And even if you had the warp drive from star trek, or <insert favourite FTL engine from sci-fi of choice here>, it'd still take 100s of years to reach the nearest habitable world.


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RE: Alien life!
And even if you had the warp drive from star trek, or <insert favourite FTL engine from sci-fi of choice here>, it'd still take 100s of years to reach the nearest habitable world.
What about Mass Relays? Surely with the...
Flying towards a Mass Relay, if one were to exist would take hundreds of years itself.
Sad.

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RE: Alien life!
What's worse is the temporal as well as spatial dimension - in other words, not only do we have to have some other alien life exist within reasonably close proximity spatially, it would have to have evolved within the same timeframe as us - it's possible billions of civilisations evolved and died out before homo sapiens popped up.
The time frame isn't as vast as it first appears. The first generation of stars didn't have any planets for life to form.
If intelligent life had formed around a second generation star it would have been very exotic and nothing like we could imagine.
Ours is a third generation star with enough heavy elements to make life as we know it possible.
Then take off the time for any forms of intelligent life to evolve and the time frame gets even smaller. There really should be other life forms on third generation systems that are evolving about now. Give or take a billion years. 
I hope that makes you feel a little bit better.
‘Just off the coast of Autonomy, across the Bay of Good Intentions, lies the fog shrouded Isle of Best Interests’.
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| 10-23-2012 06:18 PM |
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RE: Alien life!
And even if you had the warp drive from star trek, or <insert favourite FTL engine from sci-fi of choice here>, it'd still take 100s of years to reach the nearest habitable world.
Not so. They have recently discovered an uninhabitable planet going around our neighbour just 4 light years away. They suspect that it is part of a system that could contain a habitable planet.
Happier now?
‘Just off the coast of Autonomy, across the Bay of Good Intentions, lies the fog shrouded Isle of Best Interests’.
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RE: Alien life!
What's worse is the temporal as well as spatial dimension - in other words, not only do we have to have some other alien life exist within reasonably close proximity spatially, it would have to have evolved within the same timeframe as us - it's possible billions of civilisations evolved and died out before homo sapiens popped up.
The time frame isn't as vast as it first appears. The first generation of stars didn't have any planets for life to form.
If intelligent life had formed around a second generation star it would have been very exotic and nothing like we could imagine.
Ours is a third generation star with enough heavy elements to make life as we know it possible.
Then take off the time for any forms of intelligent life to evolve and the time frame gets even smaller. There really should be other life forms on third generation systems that are evolving about now. Give or take a billion years. 
I hope that makes you feel a little bit better.
And by the time we have the technology to fly out there, will they still be around? Doubt it


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RE: Alien life!
And even if you had the warp drive from star trek, or <insert favourite FTL engine from sci-fi of choice here>, it'd still take 100s of years to reach the nearest habitable world.
Not so. They have recently discovered an uninhabitable planet going around our neighbour just 4 light years away. They suspect that it is part of a system that could contain a habitable planet.
Happier now?
Looking further into this, apparently there's a habitable extrasolar planet only 22 light years away:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581


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RE: Alien life!
Long story short:
Star trek ain't going to become real, and that sucks


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| 10-23-2012 06:49 PM |
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I wish it was real
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| 10-23-2012 08:26 PM |
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RE: Alien life!
Long story short:
Star trek ain't going to become real, and that sucks
From today's Guardian.
"Since its inception in 1966, Star Trek has familiarised us with the lingo and applications of science. At least, that was the case for me. I felt pretty disenfranchised from science at school: it wasn't until I discovered science fiction that I realised I could understand "difficult" technical concepts.
Since the show began, many of us have become more tech-savvy than we could possibly have imagined at school. More than that, we're now seeing emergent technology here on Earth that was once little more than a Star Trek scriptwriter's dream. To get you in the mood for this weekend's festivities, here's a roundup of some of the best Star Trek-inspired technology.
Replicators
Who wouldn't want their own replicator? Well, you can have one – of a sort. Three-dimensional printers have been on the open market commercially for most of the 21st century. Their basic technology isn't that dissimilar to a standard ink printer: a starter material, such as polymers or resins, is deposited layer by layer, building up to a 3-D shape. You can even print your lunch: over at Cornell's Creative Machines, a 3-D printer can make your food to order.
Brilliant as these devices are, they don't actually create new compounds: it's more a fancy version of your mum's cake piping. But earlier this year, Professor Lee Cronin took the idea to a new level with his prototype Chemputer: a modified 3-D printer with the ability to synthesise inorganic molecules – to date, an organic heterocycle and two inorganic nanoclusters. Ultimately, Cronin envisages the printing of complex pharmaceuticals to order.
Transporters
Earlier this year, Nature reported that photons had been teleported 89 miles, between La Palma and Tenerife. OK, it wasn't exactly transportation: instead, each photon's state was teleported, via quantum entanglement. In essence, the photon was instantaneously copied and reproduced across the distance, while the original was destroyed. Still, this represented light-speed transmission of information, which could be useful for communications between Earth and space.
Bioneural circuitry
The ship's computer aboard USS Voyager incorporated a novel form of 24th century technology – bioneural circuitry, in which neurons perform complex computations in a way similar to brains. In the 21st century, biocomputers may find similar inspiration in an unlikely source — the humble slime mould. Physarum polycephalum is capable of sophisticated spatial computations: calculating the most efficient route through a food network, for example.
And in February of this year, the Scripps Research Institute published details of a DNA-based biological computer based on an original design by Alan Turing.
Like Voyager's bioneural circuitry, contemporary bimolecular computers have the potential to run trillions of steps in parallel, and to store vast quantities of data compared with electronic computers.
Cloaking devices
Ah, this is a good one. In January, our first real "invisibility cloak" was unveiled at the University of Texas.
This cloaking technology relies on plasmonic metamaterials: composite materials composed of structures smaller than the wavelength of the light striking them, so that light falling upon them is scattered. The resulting interference renders the plasmonic metamaterial – and anything behind or inside it – invisible.
Tricorders
Valiant attempts to create a functional tricorder have been made, notably by Peter Jansen at the University of Arizona. Brilliant as Jansen's work is, it focuses on atmospheric analysis. Where's our medical tricorder?
The answer could lie with diagnosis by smell — analysing the volatile organic compounds our bodies secrete. "There's a growing trend towards patient comfort, and utilisation of noninvasively obtained biomarkers", comments Aadi Malkar at Loughborough University. "It seems well within our reach to make devices like tricorders to selectively monitor a biomarker or a set of biomarkers of a disease."
Hyposprays
Those with a fear of needles can be grateful to MIT's Bioinstrumentation Lab, which has constructed this prototype hypospray, in which near-supersonic air is used to get drugs through the skin barrier.
In the UK, a team at the University of Southampton is using ultrasound to make cells permeable to drugs, without injection, using a phenomenon called sonoporation. "We've shown that ultrasound can be used for delivering drugs and large molecules into cells in the laboratory," says researcher Dyan Ankrett. "Providing that all the ultrasonic parameters are tightly controlled, the cells remain unharmed. We're ultimately aiming to develop this technology for delivering drugs to patients."
Nanites
Federation medics frequently make use of microscopic robotic devices called nanites. As do Mark Davis and his team at CalTech. They've constructed a set of nanorobots, with inbuilt chemical sensors, that can silence genes within cancerous cells. Davis's nanorobots target cancer cell receptors. Once inside a cancer cell they break down, releasing gene-silencing siRNA.
Phase 1 clinical trials provide evidence that the nanorobots can silence a gene that makes an essential enzyme called ribonucleotide reductase. Whether this will translate into effective treatment has yet to be seen.
Androids
Japanese scientists have created some remarkably human-looking androids, though they wouldn't beat Data in a game of three-dimensional chess. Can existing robots reason and learn, in a way that we would define as "intelligence"? Maybe: Kevin Warwick, Professor of Cybernetics at the University of Reading, has constructed robots with mini-brains made from living rat neurons – "rat-brain robots" that he says can, over time, develop the intelligence of a bee or wasp. Prof. Warwick takes his cybernetics work personally, having previously volunteered to have his nervous system linked to a computer via a surgically implanted "brain gate". This probably gives him more in common with Seven of Nine than with anything Dr Soong created.
So it seems 21st century science is slowly but surely catching up with Star Trek. Live long and prosper, old friends."
So who's to say we won't reach warp speed. They are working on it.
http://www.space.com/17628-warp-drive-po...light.html
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RE: Alien life!
I meant in terms of exploring alien worlds and meeting other civilisations - it's well-known that a lot of the other technology on Star Trek is already here or soon will be.


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I actually like the idea of never meeting anything: I'm asocial enough to be happy without it. Not that I'm scared OF it, but with the state of normal human aggessiveness, I'd be scared FOR it. Humans per se are such despoilers, take the example of the huge mega-trawler that we've recently stopped fishing off Australian waters. They could no longer make a living in Europe, fished out the African waters, and were about to rape the Aussie waters as well. And the by-catch of seals, dolphins, sea turtles and rays was appalling, animals that we don't eat but which would die anyway. So for the sake of the rest of the universe, it's probably better that humans don't spread off our natal planet, or at least past the Solar System boundaries. There's Mars within a reasonable distance and the various satellites of Jupiter and Saturn. I think we should make do with all of those and leave any other Edens like Earth the hell alone. We'd only break it.
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| 10-23-2012 09:40 PM |
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RE: Alien life!
The most likely alien life we're going to meet will be bacteria (or something similar).


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| 10-23-2012 09:41 PM |
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I think they will find jellyfish on Europa.
‘Just off the coast of Autonomy, across the Bay of Good Intentions, lies the fog shrouded Isle of Best Interests’.
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| 10-23-2012 09:54 PM |
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