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In light of recent drama, what we're all ACTUALLY entitled to
We are all entitled (for real) to the following, these are raw basic fundamentals and although there may be things you can argue that we all deserve on top of this, anything on top of the raw fundamentals listed below are usually not reasonable to complain about as it is only the below rights that others have a duty to honour.
It should also be noted that you can't use your own human rights to infringe on that of others except in extreme circumstances. For example, if you attack someone and they respond in self-defence then you can not claim they are duty-bound to honour your own right to bodily integrity.
These are also ideals generated by humans (and not me - i've merely listed my own interpretation of the raw fundamentals below) - they're not natural laws like the laws of physics. Nature doesn't care about us one way or the other and it's up to humans to enforce human rights - they don't come by themselves.
It would be simple to add things to this list, and i've probably missed off quite a few points that are fairly sane or I may be wrong on what I have listed, but for each point the question that must be asked is this:
What duty does it impose on others for me to have this right? Is it reasonable that others should have that duty imposed upon them? Do I also owe this duty to others?
Being a mature adult also means recognising that there are people out there who will not honour your rights and the bodies society creates to try and enforce them are imperfect institutions which will also fail at times. I have been assaulted and stolen from myself (not going into it here) - saying that it's my right not to be assaulted or stolen from didn't help at all, and although that's an unpleasant fact of life it's still a fact.
The right to life - unless we surrender it through murdering other humans
The right to decide what happens with our own bodies and minds
The right to hold property and decide what happens with it - but only if we first acquire such property in a legitimate manner
The right to SEEK happiness - but not the right to happiness itself - having a right to happiness itself implies a duty on others to give it to you
The right to equal legal rights and responsibilities - this also has the flipside that you can't just pull your diagnosis out as a get out of jail free card (*cough* mckinnon *cough*)
The right to free speech - but that does not mean others have to publish it for you
The right to anything that is granted to all citizens of our respective nations - unless we surrender such rights (for example, if there is a benefits system then we all have the right to make use of it unless we break the rules - this is a seperate question from whether or not such systems should exist in the first place)
The right to self-defence and the right to bodily integrity and prevention of violence - unless such rights are surrendered through our own acts
The right to employment - if there is an employer willing to provide it or if we are willing and able to go the route of self-employment
The right to enjoy the fruits of our labours - but this does not mean we get to decide what said fruit should be - even if you work hard it may not be enough or the right kind of work - this is a hard one to swallow for many but essentially it means that you can't force other people to value what you have done, you can only try to do what you think is best and most valuable to others if you are looking for others to reward you
I'm betting at least one person will disagree with the above and want to either add a right that they claim is obvious natural law (or one granted by a deity or some other nonsense) even while placing duties upon others (for example, there is much talk of internet access as a human right without corresponding discussion on who is supposed to provide it), or will want to subtract one of the above (the most extreme version of this is someone who once told me they would not respond in self-defence if someone broke into their home and tried to rob and murder themselves and their family, no matter how capable or not they were of doing so).
Changing the list of human rights still doesn't change the facts of reality - you can't truly force people to give you anything against their will, and it's unreasonable to expect them to do so without extremely good reasons.
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RE: In light of recent drama, what we're all ACTUALLY entitled to
That was well thought out
To simplify, here in america you are entitled to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness
If you screw up, you are entitled to a fair trial to be judged by a jury of your peers
Everything else you have to earn
yeah and if you try to defend your property i.e home and physical land from someone who wants to take it from you like an irate neighbor or a squatter even if you shot them you could face murder charges
h*** you could face brutality charges if someone tries to mug you in NYC and you fight back you could be looking at 5 to 10 years go figure!! you would think that self defense meant just that that you could defend yourself and those around you from harm or wrongful injustice.
just another reason everything is going down hill and nobody cares to do a positive thing about it to bring change
RE: In light of recent drama, what we're all ACTUALLY entitled to
I am having trouble fully understanding points 9 and 10.
" 9 The right to employment - if there is an employer willing to provide it or if we are willing and able to go the route of self-employment"
As far as I know, I do not have this right. If someone does not have a job can they demand their right to have one. It cannot be dependent on having someone give them one if it is not a responsibility of a citizen to employ other people. I might have a responsibility to pay taxes on any income that I earn.
" 10 The right to enjoy the fruits of our labours - but this does not mean we get to decide what said fruit should be - even if you work hard it may not be enough or the right kind of work - this is a hard one to swallow for many but essentially it means that you can't force other people to value what you have done, you can only try to do what you think is best and most valuable to others if you are looking for others to reward you."
I cannot really understand this one at all. I think I need a better explanation or some examples.
It is not a right to pay taxes but an obligation as a citizen. But we are not slaves so that our income would be given and then taken away as rent, taxes, food allowances etc with a person having no control over how much or what is paid for.
For point 3, is property defined as personal belongings or only real estate?