Okay, first off I just want to explain what brought me to this.

Last night I was watching an India University lecture on Computers from YouTube, when this comment caught my attention. "I was watching this video, with the volume turned all the way, and my "Christian" mother heard it and beated me".  

That's not the correct wording of course, but it had to do with Indian chanting at the beginning of the foreign lecture video which the "Christian" mother had condemned as Satanic...

Why?

What's wrong with these people? Listening to chanting from India isn't going to cause Satan to pop out of nowhere and drag your soul down to the depths of hell!

I mean is this what Christianity is all about ? See no evil ,hear no evil, speak no evil?

This is a reason why I'm spiritual and not "buying" into Christianity...


Chose your religion! One of these has to be right

So is there any reason why all religions can't have a common root back to Allah? Isn't there factors like, history, different cultures, different beliefs.. etc ?

The Christian bible traces its history and texts back to the middle east. which was conquered by Greece and the Romans, the Greece (or Romans) adopted Catholicism, I guess the English adopted Catholicism or the Koran, English people who defected from the English church came to America, society today owns you with Jesus-ism...  

Of course I think I got my history wrong there, but I hope you get my point!

For example,if your not into Jesus-ism, your a bad person and going to hell. This is what I feel society has turned religion into.

If you don't attend church on Wednesdays or Sundays, your going to hell. If you don't pay %10 percent of your earnings, your a bad person. If you don't wear a cross around your neck, or Jesus on your clothing, or obnoxiously carry a Bible (or the Official Moral Handbook) your a sinner...

The point is, I think people are taking this religion to the Extreme and want to dominate us with these "better way of living" by condemning other religions as false...

Either that or I'm so d*mn lost from God that not even he can help me find my way back... I suppose I lost a lot of faith over the years cause *GASP!* I was once saved.  

Well, it was ONE comment.
"the volume turned all the way" could be another reason. Perhaps it was just too loud ...

Your religion might be bullsh**

The OP made me think of this video.

It is funny, and it does make you think a bit about the "whys" behind various religions.  I don't think I'd make decisions about religious beliefs based on the vid, but it is humorous.

There is no logical requirement that one of the religions has to be right. I am not saying that atheism has to be right either. The real answer/s may actually be beyond our monkey brains - I think it is very ignorant to assume that we are even capable of knowing for sure the nature and the meaning of life, the universe and everything.

The fact that people believe so strongly in religions with (often) highly conflicting stories behind them leads some of us to suspect that none of them are right.

It was hilarious AspieMomma I also clicked on this video called "Wake up, your religion is a fairy tale" or something like that, and I can't believe the idiocy behind it... This person (who made the video) probably never read the Bible!

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I believe Shrek answered that before on a thread, if I'm not mistaking.

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Because he wasn't 600 years old you f*cking idiot! I don't think "scrutinizing" the Bible against science alone is really fair! What about HISTORICAL FACTS? If you knew any kind of the history of the dead sea scrolls, then you'd know they measured age back then differently, so I think Noah was really 60 (or somewhere around there).  

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And your heart

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I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that God gave Satan the power over the Air and probably the Earth... Blame Satan, not God!

  

I think (and this will sound stupid) that maybe the answer to the meaning of everything and anything could really be a simple answer that we're turning into a difficult answer...

Find your own path. It might require a lot of soul searching, but it'll be the only one that's right.

I was thinking about this today after hearing some students holding a Christian meeting at uni during the lunch break.  It occurred to me that only social animals would feel the need to invent a god, since the social animals are all about hierarchy.  And the bigger your own herd or pack, the more powerful you are, so converting others to your way of thinking makes your own likelihood of survival better.  

So animals like wolves, dogs, elephants, orcas, hyenas etc. would most likely develop gods if they evolved enough brain power.  Although elephants, hyenas and orcas are matrilineal, so would probably have a female god.  

Those animals that are not social, however, would not feel the need to develop a more powerful version of themselves, one who it is implied will help you so long as you do what they say, because they do not have social hierarchies.  

I wonder if those children that invent 'invisible friends" are not portraying an early aptitude for the priesthood later in life?

Alison

This post was last modified: 08-15-2012 10:46 AM by Alison.

Not silly at all. In fact you are very likely spot on there. Many of the great advances in scientific understanding have turned out to be unexpectedly simple - at least in concept.

There are a couple of simple answers I can pull straight out of my **** right now. One is that God is the answer, and the reason, for everything. But God refuses to provide us with clear and unequivocal evidence of his nature and even of his existence. So no simple answer there.

Atheism is nice and simple. We may not know exactly what caused the big bang, but do we really need to? And the answer is not exactly what the majority of people want to hear: that this is it. Eventually we die and stay dead. And eventually the universe becomes cold, dark and disintegrates into pretty much nothingness.

Okay, first off I just want to explain what brought me to this.

Last night I was watching an India University lecture on Computers from YouTube, when this comment caught my attention. "I was watching this video, with the volume turned all the way, and my "Christian" mother heard it and beated me".  

That's not the correct wording of course, but it had to do with Indian chanting at the beginning of the foreign lecture video which the "Christian" mother had condemned as Satanic...

Why?

What's wrong with these people? Listening to chanting from India isn't going to cause Satan to pop out of nowhere and drag your soul down to the depths of hell!

I mean is this what Christianity is all about ? See no evil ,hear no evil, speak no evil?

This is a reason why I'm spiritual and not "buying" into Christianity...


Chose your religion! One of these has to be right

So is there any reason why all religions can't have a common root back to Allah? Isn't there factors like, history, different cultures, different beliefs.. etc ?

The Christian bible traces its history and texts back to the middle east. which was conquered by Greece and the Romans, the Greece (or Romans) adopted Catholicism, I guess the English adopted Catholicism or the Koran, English people who defected from the English church came to America, society today owns you with Jesus-ism...  

Of course I think I got my history wrong there, but I hope you get my point!

For example,if your not into Jesus-ism, your a bad person and going to hell. This is what I feel society has turned religion into.

If you don't attend church on Wednesdays or Sundays, your going to hell. If you don't pay %10 percent of your earnings, your a bad person. If you don't wear a cross around your neck, or Jesus on your clothing, or obnoxiously carry a Bible (or the Official Moral Handbook) your a sinner...

The point is, I think people are taking this religion to the Extreme and want to dominate us with these "better way of living" by condemning other religions as false...

Either that or I'm so d*mn lost from God that not even he can help me find my way back... I suppose I lost a lot of faith over the years cause *GASP!* I was once saved.  

OK Fry, here I go getting "insane" on/with you. Smile.

GOD can only be within us, never "out in reality" to be seen. My justification for this comment is my math. Give me a few sentences please. If the God we are looking for is God of the Universe, then:
1. The Milky Way Galaxy is considered a solid object in the Universe.
2. We (Humanity, Earth, Sun and Solar System) are inside the Milky Way Galaxy.
3. God could not "reach in" and reveal because that would be like poking a hole through anothers body with your finger trying to locate something inside that body that is moving about. (think platlet in the blood stream).
4. The reason "God made man in his image" was to clue us in on "something so simple we are missing it" - as you postulated. What I mean is that God is Huge in the Universe and can't reach into our Galaxy - but God can "reduce" in size and occupy space within a Galaxy. It has been specifically stated that we are that "reduced size" that God uses to reveal in our Milky Way Galaxy.
5. The entirety of Humanity (homogenous species), which is yet to be, is the "oneness of God". What I mean is that until we Humans unite, we will never see God. WE ARE GOD.
6. If we insist on using our current "sciences and theologies" mathematics, it will be revealed to us that "God" as we thought we know is just a dwarf, and the face of a dwarf at that. (More on this another time if anyone wants clarification) We have "monkey brains" when it comes to our fundemental understanding of quantum mechanics and relativities physics.
7. We are confined to our Galaxy until we technologically advance with true math. Once that has happened, we may chance upon GOD in the Universe using true science. But first we must understand we are stuck in the "blood stream" of the Galaxy, rotating around its center every 250 million yrs.
8. Our current structure of reality and time is off by 5x the true revolution of the Galaxy. I mean it only takes the Galaxy 50 million years to do what it takes our solar system to do in 250 million years.
9.Faith, love and hope - in a singular, spectacular envisionment (my word, sorry) are the necessary factors in manifesting God for Humanity. We are the only ones who can materialize God, and we all must do it in agreement as a species. NOT AS A SPECIFIC SUPERIOR/CORRECT RACE.
10.I know I sound out of control, but most of this is going to be revealed through the new understandings of the Galaxy and Universe. Known Physicists, unlike myself, are beginning to offer these understandings in support of "intelligent design", such as Steven Hawking. GUYS WHO ARE ALL "SCIENCE", NOT THEOLOGY, ARE GOING TO USE MATH TO PROVE A UNIVERSE GOD. SCIENCE GUYS, NOT TELEVANGELISTS.

Thanks for letting me postulate on your thread, just wanted to chime in that any known religion, or hero story for that matter, is incomplete for total truth. But you are right, all stories lead back to one Allah, and that Allah still is stuck in our Galaxy, not God of the Universe. We are so small, and it really is so simple. You have the capacity as human to hold God within you and show what God is by your actions and words. That is what the Jesus Man did, so did Budda, etc. So we are all "The Jesus Man" if we are singularly communing with God and the purpose we are to achieve. Faith, Hope and Love- the only way to prove God exists. The way we live are lives proves or disproves the existance of God. Math and Science will eventually find GOD, but outside of our Galaxy.

Respectfully, and Crazily,
Mike Silva

This post was last modified: 08-15-2012 11:09 AM by MikeSilva.

God is a concept of man. It has its uses. Like all good ideologies it is flawed because man created it. Take any good idea and you can subvert it into bad forms. A good example is found in that classic phrase of animal farm "All animals are equal but  some are more equal than others". The concept was sound in theory but in practice unworkable.

Stephen Hawking no longer advocates intelligent design. He is an evolutionary, big-bang atheist.

Sorry, which concept again?  Because Animal Farm was written as a criticism of sovjet style "communism."   George Orwell himself was a socialist, which is why he used a pen-name (I forget his real name, but he couldn't have people knowing it and connecting it to him because of the fascists).  

What happened at the farm was that, though they had kicked out the old tyrants of the humans, and established a new state that would create equality, it was established on the premise that not all were equal.  They said "all animals are equal" but there aways people who said that it was only a slogan.  Right away, control of the farm was given to the pigs (an allegory of the sovjet intellectuals like Lenin) because they were the "cleverest" and no animal could match wits with them.  From the very beginning, their revolution was based on hierarchy, only this time with pigs at the top instead of humans, and naturally the situation decayed into the same old tyranny.  This is why eventually they added "some are more equal than others" and at the end, the pigs are dealing with the humans, and no one looking into the window can tell which is which.

Albert Einstein said pretty much the exact same thing, only in fewer words: "You cannot solve a problem using the exact same thinking that created the problem in the first place."  A very sound idea, and applicable to much more than just physics and politics.

Life is flawed in general.... No one is perfect.... Not even your imam,priest,rabbi,cleric,or even pastor

You are correct and I spoke incorrectly. Tho what Hawking is advocating is that their is no "God, Creator of the Universe".

I am not making an argument for a Creator God. And I am still using Hawkings understanding, equations, postulations and expressions, up through his 2012 interviews on "M" Theory, on the "nature" of the universe being intelligently designed - to put it differently the same.

So I was making an incorrect statement to support an argument about what Hawking does believe about the nature of the Universe, not a claim that the "intelligent design" is from a creator God. And my posts have stated that if we are looking for God "IN" the Universe, that "he" would be too big to effect out tiny Galaxy.

Apologies for the confusion. And I am only continuing to reference "God" because that is a terminology that Humanity seems to be stuck on. To me, God is just math, whereas everything else that is not "the nature of the Universe (God to me)" is just sciences. That is the confusion of the Humans to me, that sciences have anything to do with the true math of the Universe. The math is Orbital Spaces, the sciences are Linear Time. We are nowhere close to the truth of either.

Respectfully,
Mike Silva

This post was last modified: 08-16-2012 10:29 AM by MikeSilva.