DISCLAIMER: This is an attempt to express my Point of View with my Aspergers, I do not claim to speak for any or all other Apies or Spectrum related Individuals. Just trying to explain what I see as fundamental difference in the brain processing between Aspie Me and an NT. I apologize in advance, AND THIS IS GOING TO READ BADLY AGAIN. I am forced to communicate in Terms and Terminologies “collectively agreed upon as current” and defined by my origin language “East Coast American English USA North America. Additionally, I use a Binary Process Theatrical Mathematics (Layman’s Language of Science would be known as a dual application of the Theories Relativity (both General and Special) with the Quantum Mechanical latest and greatest understanding “Strand Theory”.

That being typed, USING THE “GOLDEN RATIO” PICTURE OF THE 3-CIRCLES TO EXPRESS FUNDEMTAL MISUNDERSTANDING OF BRAIN NT AND BRAIN ASPIE (NOT THE MIND, THE MIND IS “UNIQUE AND UNIFYING” CONNECTION FOR ALL OF HUMANITY AND IS YOURS ALONE!):

I am going to be using USA TELEVISION SHOW characters 1) Dr. Sheldon Cooper, Big Bang Theory; 2) Mr. Spock, Star Trek; and, 3) (NOT A TV Reference) Mike Silva, Aspie.

The actual definition meaning of the “Golden Ratio (Spiral)” is irrelevant, THE PICTOGRAM OF A CIRCLE WITHIN A LARGER RATIO SPECIFIC CIRCLE WITH ANOTHER LARGER RATIO SPECIFIC CIRCLE IS FOCAL. (I apologize for not being able to install picture, latest reference was show on AMERICAN TV "TOUCHED", Episode “Entanglement”).

The personal image generated in your minds eye of the three characters is also irrelevant, THEIR LINES OF DIALOGUE SELF DESCRIPTION AND THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL STORY LINES, AS DEFINED BY “CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT IN TOTAL”, IS WHAT IS THE FOCAL POINT (Mike Silva as Aspie also translates to mean NT's definition of “Spectrum Understanding of Aspergers”, so who I specifically am is unnecessary, which I am hoping to make self evident and, by proxy, personal for any and all Aspies).

So I have these three different characters to reference, the terms NT and Aspie to include, 3 circles of different, but specific, size; and the want to express the difference between the NT brain and the Aspie brain; with the need to quantify that we are all individual and yet the entire "whole" same usage of Mind.

THE EXAMPLE:

As Aspie for Me, the 3 misunderstandings that I have encountered for my level of expression, and from my Point of View, may be communicated for clarification in my opinion thusly:

1) Dr. Sheldon Cooper is an NT Human, as defined by the SHOW. Additionally, he has self proclaimed that he finds emotions to be beneath his intellectual level. He shows that he understands and is “programmed” for emotion; he states he believes they detract from his personal ability to focus. He CHOOSES to exclude emotional processes unless forced. He believes he is superior to other NORMAL humans by knowing this logical understanding. This does not make him an Aspie. This makes him (a *curse*, in my opinion) the exact reason that we are misunderstood as an Aspie. Also, even though in Physics, he is only a NT genius in 1 Singular Finite Field (just lucky that the field of cosmological physics is as vast as the Universe, so it’s easy to be an expert, LOL) (Sorry). The NT Dr. Sheldon Cooper’s of the Earth Occupy the Smallest of the 3 Circles within Circles, and is the “Cream of the NT Crop” Level. In Religion or Mythos, the same Level is occupied by Jesus Christ and Odin – both “The Son” Level – Respectively.

2) Mr. Spock is an NT on his Human SIDE, as defined by the SHOW. He is a binary character (a much better example of how the hemispheres of the Human brain work) and has CHOOSEN to bury his NT Human emotional side. His choice was a personal decision that was his alone, but he had fully explored his duality and was making his choice as an ADULT who understood 1st who he was and how he worked. He would then express and remind others, at relevant points to him, of his personal choice, when he chooses warranted. His choice was to remain logical for the benefit of his purpose. I can respect his decision, BUT this does not make him an Aspie either, though I imagine he would be more sympathetic to us as Aspie (I believe the Dr. Sheldon Coopers would feel threatened). Spock, however, is a genius in multiple fields, much like an Aspie. Those that have achieved Mr. Spock Level (A VERY RARE BREED OF NT) occupy the middle circle of the 3 Circles within Circles, and are an “Eccentric Oddity Form of the NT Crop” Level. In Religion or Mythos, the same Level is occupied by Allah and Zeus – both “The Father” Level – Respectively.

3) Mike Silva is an Aspergers Human, as defined by the SPECTRUM AUTISM. This actually means that my brain does not process emotion the same way as an NT – NEUROLOGICALLY. IT IS NOT A PERSONAL CHOICE. IT IS NOT A SHOW OF SUPERIORITY, IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CURED – NOR DOES IT NEED TO BE CURED!!! I understand emotion. I have tried the ways of the Sheldon Coopers and Mr. Spocks, and do not wish, nor need, to eliminate emotion to focus my intelligence. I crave emotional exchange. My mind desires to communicate with other Humans and share experience and purpose with others as family, community. I am unable to express proper emotional communication and/or behavior because I am easily confused. I am not hard wired to STOP AND EXPRESS THE ROSES. I AM PROGRAMMED TO ENJOY THE ROSES BY MYSELF OR WITH OTHERS – when they are physically present or request a description if absent. Aspie Me, and any and all Spectrum Others, occupies the largest and last of the 3 Circles within Circles and WE ARE THE SMALLEST FACTION (FRACTION). As Spectrum Autistic, we have achieved an understanding of the 1st Circle by age 7, and an understanding of the 2nd Circle by age 12. We then have until @ age 28 to decide who we are and how we work and then choose whether to apply that knowledge to who we are to become becoming. The 3rd Circle begins at age 12 (engrained as truth by 18 – 21) for those of us Aspie. Reconciling and developing coping skills to get along in the confusion lasts the rest of Entirety. The purpose of an Aspie quest for understanding from that point forward is for ways to communicate with others to develop a relationship that may lead to emotional exchange through touch (THE REAL EMOTIONAL LEVEL EXCHANGE), in my Aspie opinion. I BELIEVE AN ASPIE USES INTELLIGENCE TO SEEK RELATIONSHIPS FOR EMOTIONAL EXCHANGE. I KNOW AS ASPIE, I UNDERSTAND THE WORKINGS OF THE UNIVERSE FOR ME, AND THE ABILITY TO EXPRESS INDIVIDUAL POINT OF VIEW TO ANOTHER IS WHAT WE ARE TO BE COMMUNICATING. Aspies are the intellectual and emotional geniuses using both hemispheres of the brain binary and synchronistical to communicate acceptable behavior for the individual and the collective in the given situation and at that given time. It’s not right or wrong, it just is the way of the Universe, and we see it as the orbital space math of binary code (I-Ch’ing) structure, with the human experience in linear time (Life Span) content.

I believe NTs confuse REAL ASPIES with The NTs Dr. Coopers and/or The Mr. Spocks on this Earth. This leads to exchanges of volatile natures because Aspies mimic behavior expressed against them, and equal to the level of comparison relative to personal experience and enthusiasm of subject matter argued. I mean we are accused of being devoid of emotion and empathy, and usually argue our defense of self passionately. Additionally, we are unaware of the situation until it is verbally expressed. Also, I believe that Aspie relationship building is founded on establishing familiarity, behavior pattern and language equality. Until a relative comfort level is agreed mutually, an Aspie is terrified to “share emotion” (touch), in my opinion. It needs to be UNDERSTOOD that an Aspie brain does not fire on the same network emotionally as an NT, but BOTH THE MIND OF THE NT AND THE MIND OF THE ASPIE DESIRE, WANT AND NEED EMOTIONAL, PHYSICAL CONTACT. It just needs to be clearly defined and agreed upon much more intrinsically for an Aspie. And can be near impossible for Most Autistics, until proper behavior is understood and applied by NT.

In my opinion, the best, though most unfortunate, analogy would be The Aspie Human compared to Mr. Data from Star Trek: The Next Generation. Data’s “brain” processes the way it processes. Its higher functions are elevated beyond primary emotional stimuli while initial factoring. Until encountering interpersonal factors, or being made aware of the need to consider those factors, Data will process and state POV based solely on the parameters and structure dictated to be used by the computations. Only once solutions are provided which are devoid of “The Humanity Factor”, is Data made aware of the necessity to adjust for reprocessing to include species. Data would never suppose that what he would “think” of as best, may be applicable. Personal interest is not present while processing unless agreed, or deemed necessary. Additionally, Data will not assume another’s POV while processing unless permitted, or deemed necessary. Like Mr. Data, the Aspie Me will never assume to factor in another’s POV without them self declaring. Also, I state what is, and never know to calculate “emotional stimuli” when processing BECAUSE MY BRAIN PROCESSES THE WAY MY BRAIN PROCESSES, AND EMOTION IS A SOFTWARE FILE FORMAT, NOT A COMPONENT OF THE PROCESSING UNIT OR OPERATIONAL SYSTEM. I can not help that I require a “Que” to “Enable”, then “Allow”, the emotional software “Task “during the “Up” time of CPU being “On”. AND EACH AND EVERY TIME I NEED THE QUE. It is only when Mr. Data is “off duty” is he able to explore the range of expression to being human. Data has the capability to learn “how to be human” through contact and relation with other humans. It is the same for Aspies, and a One on One experience to be most interactive and complete. Then an exponential application is computed to apply to the collective humanity, with the understanding said application is a “general rule”, with particulars to be understood as each new individual is encountered.

This became a beast of a different Nurture than the simple 1, 2, 3 statements I figured I could limit the expression and explanation. As usual, the Theatrical Math has multiple factors, in this case the 7 being shown as the 3 Orbital Spaces, combined with 4 Linear Time Theaters, to complete the Singularity. Aspies always use 2 quadratic equations for creating 3D Perception of Reality (1 each for Dimension #1 and #2). Then we try to “combine” with another to create a DUAL UNDERSTANDING IN PERCEIVED 3D REALITY (Balancing 2 POV’s, or quadratic equations as 1 shared, agreed. Then there are 3, WHICH IS A MATTER FOR ANOTHER DAY. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME IF YOU HAVE READ THIS FAR.

I apologize for being offensive,
I am accountable for these words, and by no means speak for any and/or all on this site,
Respectfully,
Mike Silva

Fascinating. I would be interested to read your interpretation of Seven-of-Nine.  She started out as human (presumably NT), but was physically altered with nano-probes, including her brain structure. This character is particularly interesting as she spent years in constant contact with the rest of the Borg hive and was never allowed to be alone with her individual thoughts. Yet, when separated from the Borg, she continued to be able to use her knowledge and abilities gained during her time with them, but was seriously challenged socially and emotionally.

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A SPECIFIC RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION POSED TO ME (REFERENCE ABOVE), USING THE PARAMETERS AND DESCRIPTION AS STATED BY THE AUTHOR PRECEDING THE QUESTION. ADDTIONALLY, THE “ANSWER” IS TWO-FOLD; 1ST, USING THE STRUCTURE (PICTOGRAM) AS DESCRIBED IN THE ORIGINAL ESSAY; AND 2ND, USING THE CONTENT (STORY) AS EXPRESSED IN THE ORIGINAL EXPLAINATION. The Binary Answer (Theatrical Mathematics to me) is necessary because your “example choice: 7 of 9” is representative of the “missing link” to the physics for the unification of the two Theories of Relativity, in my opinion. I mean to say that to answer your question, I will demonstrate “7 of 9” as solution in the 1st quadratic equation (Overall Essay Above), and also as representative of the “zero sum” carried over into the 2nd quadratic equation. In simpler terms (hopefully): “7 of 9” will occupy 2 (the 1st representative of the entirety of the “Initial Essay’s Point of View Being Expressed”) orbital spaces and 1 linear time (as connector between the “2 Specific Orbital Spaces Only in Existence as this Example) – OR SIMPLY AS: 0-1-0, with 1 equaling the “ZERO SUM”. All that being typed, here we go:

TO BEGIN, remove name Mike Silva, and replace with Mr. Data (name only; description of functionality, along with full description of Mr. Data, combine as an Individual Singularity of the 3rd Circle. Dr. Cooper and Mr. Spock, and their description, remain as stated. So, the Example and Description in the original essay is the POV being used to explain “7 of 9” application.

NEXT, the “Example Model” was postulated to give 3 Dimensional Reality View Point of Emotional Pathology and The Aspergers Brain vs. The NT Brain. The explanation was built from Dimension #1 combined with Dimension #2 in hopes of developing an acceptable 3D Image in the Mind of the Reader that is understandable. YOUR QUESTION EXAMPLE IS LOCATED IN DIMENSION #4 FOR MY EXPRESSIONS. I AM JUST GOING TO GO STRAIGHT TO EXPLAINING, I APOLOGIZE IF CONTROVERSY.

The 3 Circles ARE NOW REPRESENTATIVE OF UNIFYING THE HUMAN INDIVIDUAL’S BRAIN/BODY AND MIND INTO SINGULARITY. “7 of 9” is representative of this Singularity. Mr. Data represents one hemisphere of the brain (nano/AI); Dr. Sheldon Cooper represents one hemisphere of the brain (human/being); and Mr. Spock represents the Mind (NT/Aspie Balance) that coordinates the two hemispheres with the stimuli input and brain/body responses. Once the Body/Brain and the Mind function in unison by understanding both intelligence and emotion, the “7 of 9” Persona is its sum. So equationally, Dr. Sheldon Cooper + Mr. Data – Mr. Spock = “7 of 9” (NT influences Aspie, as agreeable to Aspie Empathetic NT and creates Alchemically Balanced Species).

NOW “7 of 9” IS THE “ZERO SUM” THAT IS “MATURE ADULT IN AUTHORITY IN THE UNIVERSE”. I mean to say the 1st set of Relativity quadratic equations have been solved, and then balanced in the “Becoming 7 of 9”. NOTE: THIS PROCESS DOES NOT INVOLVE THE BORG OR THEIR COLLECTIVE, JUST HOW 7 of 9 IS BUILT, AND APPLICATION TO THE ORIGINAL ESSAY STRUCTURE AND CONTENT. The completion of the 3 Circles into Singularity is representative of creating a “1” the size if its “0”. 7 of 9 represents this “1”. The orbital space occupied by the 3 Circles represents that “0”. Now as a “1” from 3 Circle “0” (Dimension #4 Singularity in Dimension #3 Reality), 7 of 9 becomes the 1st element in the next “3 Circle Example” (Orbital Space). The physics of the 1st orbital space led to a choice point in linear time, which connects to the next orbital space. The choice in this example was to unify the 3 Circles of BRAIN COOPER/DATA and MIND SPOCK into the BEING 7 of 9.

The next 3 circle structure example is specific to the 1st – ALWAYS. I mean to say the “zero sum” produced by the first structure naturally continues to the next. They are codependent; one produces and is produced, at the same time, because of the other. The importance of 7 of 9 in this example is to demonstrate the need to binarily combine both hemispheres of our brain into one mind in balance. That balance is shown as a Binary Being/AI in the form of Borg 7 of 9. Alchemically balanced with the Universe 7 of 9 then becomes the 1st circle (Dimension #4) within circles of the 2nd structure of quadratic equations, the rest of the Borg as corporeal beings make up the 2nd circle (Dimension #5), and the Borg as collective mind make up the 3rd  (Dimension #6). The species Borg becomes the “Zero Sum” of the 3 Circles, and would be applied as singularity in the next orbital space (Dimension #7). THE “ETHICS” OF THE BORG HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROCESS. THE STRUCTURE AND COMMUNICATION WITHIN THE SPECIES BORG IS TO BE UNDERSTOOD. THE SINGULARITY 7 of 9 IS REPRESENTATIVE OF BEHAVIOR OF INDIVIDUAL IN SYNC WITH THE UNIVERSE AND WITH SPECIES, AS INDIVIDUAL AND COLLECTIVE MEMBER. HARMONY WITH SPECIES AND ENVIRONMENT IN BALANCE ARE BY-PRODUCT OF THE PHYSICS OF BEHAVIOR UNDERSTANDING AND PRACTICAL APPLICATION (Theatrical Mathematics to me).

I am sure I went of point and sidereal, so bring me back to point, should this loose or make no sense. I appreciate the question, I have rarely been able to continue on in communication that is not numbers or irrelevant terminologies (in my opinion) beyond my initial post. I apologize for unintelligibility at any point, and would be happy to clarify. I am not used to opportunity to express this type of depth. Most will not accept beyond Dimension #3 imagery. Less want to comprehend Dimension #4. And few want to venture into the confusion of Dimension #5. Thank you for allowing me to think about expression of the Universe in these Terms and Terminologies.
Respectfully,
Mike Silva

Sorry, but in my book I will always see Sheldon as an Aspie. No matter what anyone else tells me I will always see him this way.

As for Spock, however while he may be defined as an NT I believe it could be possible, but it is highly unlikely

However Aspergers and high functioning Autism can be found within other species in science-fiction. Such as Salarians ((Mass Effect series)) I suspect that there is a high possibility with Mordin Solus ((Mass Effect 2 and 3)).

I, too, would like to think of sheldon as an Aspie because he has sooo many mannerisms. In fact, I think the writers may think the are portraying him as such. Although there are instances where they demonstrate Sheldon's oblivion to most social convention as would an Aspie, when it comes to "emotional" circumstances, he states he is AWARE of them, but CHOOSES not to participate. I believe this is where the disconnect occurs between his being an NT, and a true Aspie. I can not choose to ignore emotional circumstance when I don't know it exists. Sheldon is acutely aware of emotional composition. I, as Aspie (not my word but theirs) do not know I am to be factoring my "emotional want" during interaction with other people. I need to be told the situation is "part of the/an emotional experience". I am not a robot, but emotional sharing is personal to me, and i need to develop multi-dimensional levels of plutonic relations before I "feel" the emotional part of my being demanding to be accomodated into the relationship. And usually that means the "other" is prompting me to "express my feelings". I honestly can say I don't know that I have feelings until some other inquires about them. I do know I have thoughts and ideas that want to be expressed without prompting - just a willing audience. I have never approached someone and said "Let me tell you how I feel", but I have been unable and/or unwilling to silence my self when I notice certain behavior and/or a need to speak up for myself or another. Maybe I'm not NT, Aspie or any known label. Aspie is the latest name I have been called, and by The Dr. Sheldon Coopers of the neuro/pysch field to boot. All I have ever been and known is Mike Silva. Thanks for having me here anyway.

Respectfully,
Mike Silva

This post was last modified: 07-11-2012 05:39 AM by MikeSilva.

Sheldon Cooper is an Aspie. The team behind the show deny it cos they don't want to cause offence, but he is. If he's different from you, that's because Asperger's is a personality TYPE not a personality PER SE.

I agree with you LM, not trying to compare his Aspieness to mine - as you put it "Asperger's is a personality type, not a personality per se." I AM USING THE "TEAM BEHIND THE SHOW" CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT AND COOPER'S SCRIPT LINES IN THIS COMPARISON. WHICH YOU YOURSELF STATE THE SHOW IS CLAIMING HIS CHARACTER TO BE NT. The fact that he displays and is Asperger's is a MIRROR of the plight a high percentage of Aspie's face because we may appear "mostly normal". So, all I was representing was the character as described by the show creators and script, WHICH THEY HAVE INTENTIONALLY GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO DEMONSTRATE SHELDON COOPER AS NORMAL GENIUS NT. AND YES, I BELIEVE THAT IS BULL CRAP TOO.

Respectfully,
Mike S.

Good point. Although I find it difficult to learn to interpret NTs just by interacting with them; for me, it's much more enlightening to read about e.g. psychology, and see the principles mentioned in those books "in real life", i.e. applied, or "working".