I get really confused sometimes because I read myths / legends and in some cultures there is a clear description about how the world was in the past, the beginnings etc. Yet- you switch gears go to another part of the world, and though the stories may be similar (or not), what is happening there does not seem to coincide with what another culture describes.

For example - in Hindu religion the Kali Yuga (age of destruction) is said to have begun around the time of the fall of the ancient egyptians, yet we are already supposedly coming to the last portion of the kali yuga.- but this doesn't make sense because the kali yuga is supposed to last much longer (the first 10,000 years will still be reasonably peaceful), and before the kali yuga there was already war and strife in other regions of the war which is not supposed to happen until the kali yuga begins...i dunno perhaps they meant lunar years or something.

Thats one example. In my brain I keep trying to somehow learn all the various timelines of the world and pull the stories together in a coherent manner- but it gets frustrating at times.

This is an area of conversation and communication I am extremely interested to continue. I am still trying to figure how best to prompt you. What I mean is I am processing a way to make the "big picture"  of Uniting Time Line(s) - (I-Ching for best fit model), fractal to binary: A CULTURE vs. B CULTURE. Some are subsets of others, or past/future segments of one. The Hindu example you have listed I am not as familiar as some of the models we have use to show possibility of Unification. Part of the theatrical math that we are using (TM 1/2) is expressly for timeline unification of singular story coherence. I hope I am not stepping on your thread, and I want to be sure this is a conversation you would like to continue. I ask because to me, THIS IS HALF OF AN EQUATION WHICH IS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT MATURATION PROCESS THE HUMAN RACE HAS FACED IN ITS EXHISTENCE. Solving this matter is more important at this time in Human Reality than any other.

I have run on and made no sense again, and I apologize. I need to walk in my circles while whispering and shouting in my paricular resonances, while tapping my heart and rubbing my head for a while. Then I will try and reply with more clarity. What would be most helpful is me knowing two specific myth and/or legend that you are comfortably familiar, and which include some kind of clock and calendar mechanism for "countdown" and "location" purposes. We have to remember that not only are we revolving as a planet in our particular part of the "night sky" (26,000 year rotation), we are also traversing at a high rate of speed around the "center of the galaxy" (250,000,000 year orbit). Where we are and what we see has 4 facets to the understanding.

Thank you,
Respectfully,
Mike Silva

Respectfully,
Mike Silva

For example, the four ages mentioned in book 1 of ovid's metamorphoses:
http://www.theoi.com/Text/OvidMetamorphoses1.html

and the four ages mentioned in hindu vedanta.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga


They seem to be related well enough...yet my timeline its screwed up because the Kali Yuga started when Krishna left the earth, yet his life on earth is presumed to have been a little over 5,000 years ago.

AND YET according to other myths the kali yuga is nearing the end
(http://www.gauranga.org/files/brahma_vai...purana.pdf), and a "renewal" (as according to many native american cultures (such as Hopi and Maya)) is in effect....

ANyways, it was fitting together nicely in my mind until I realized that in the Brahma Vaivarta Purana (linked above) Krishna spoke of the "first 10,000 years", which we would still be in, yet already in some traditions the kalki avatar is already incarnating (which marks the end of the kali yuga).....

so there are a couple tens-of-thousands of years I am missing and its frustrating me.

:/ my coherent mythological timeline is no longer coherent.

I'll have to delve into this more, and read a little more actually. Just wondering if others had noticed/or have thoughts on it.

That's because they are myths and legends, not factual accounts.

I keep trying to unite the timelines of Xena: Warrior Princess, and the three little pigs, and Conan the Barbarian. No luck yet.

SG, you'll give yourself an aneurism trying to unite the timelines of myths and legends.

I think that's probably because the writers of these things were many different people over many different epochs, all adding or subtracting things they wanted.  It's further skewed by the fact that a lot of these stories started out as spoken narratives before getting written down.  I remember reading the timeline of "Monkey" from the English translation, and it was so strange, with Monkey re-incarnating all over the place and Piggsy getting eaten and re-incarnating, that I finally threw logic to the wind and just let the narrative roll over me.  It's diverting as entertainment, but you really can't take it seriously.
Alison

This post was last modified: 06-29-2012 04:51 PM by Alison.

I know, but...*sniffles*.... its been an ongoing mental project since I was a kid....*sniffles*... me trying to "make" my world fit in with theirs...

the problem is, i'm interested in so many cultures that they accumulate in my head and now resemble a Dr. Seuss crash scene.

There is a lot of truths in myths and legends. The truths just cant be proved with scientific evidence

Thats what I had heard- I thought I could cognize a coherent story about history and the world- and human nature (a lot of stories have elements of medicine, psychology, politics, economics, etc...and also, many societies were fairly small but the philosophers and intellects on the time knew that the human population would grow, and they watched human beings and created stories as warnings (or reminders) so that we wouldn't destroy ourselves once we became so populous). and one way I had thought of cognizing a coherent story of it all was by creating one unified timeline.


but the legends are all over the place- and as mentioned many were passed down orally for centuries before they were ever written down....

This post was last modified: 06-30-2012 12:58 AM by sg1008.

An example is the "gods" in the myths around the world.

To me they are the same "gods" with different names, depending on the cultures from where the myths originate.

Another example is the Great Flood stories. There are over 2000 stories from around the world.

Same flood, the myths and any difference in the story depends also on the culture and region from which they originate.

Exactly-

Joseph Campbell was good at noting similarities between myths....Im going to have to read some of his books...

When I read a myth, I get into the mindset of the language and try to interpret in a way that- if need be- could be reexplained in other more scientific language, or in a language of another culture or religion...it unifies the stories on a level thats in my mind, and I can draw out similarities that way. the only thing throwing me off is the timeline. That is probably because time is less vague when exact dates and numbers are given...though I could be misinterpreting the numbers.

This post was last modified: 06-30-2012 01:16 AM by sg1008.

It could be said, then, that you dont need to unite the timeline.

Just have to understand in most cases they are all the same myths.

Probably not what you are talking about, though

LOL, just my interpretation of what you are talking about.