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Thomas81
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
Isn't the English monarch still in some sense connected to the church of England? Or is the archbishop of canterbury now full head of the church?
Yes, they are. That is why on British coins it features the initials 'FD'. It stands for 'Defender of the faith'.
The church of England is one of the most despicable and contemptable institutions in the history of Christianity, which is saying a lot. It was set up with the sole purpose of enabling Henry VIII to *** as many women as he liked.
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| 06-11-2012 01:04 AM |
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The English monarch is technically the head of the COE. The Archbishop of Canterbury is like the head administrator.
Defender of the Faith was a title given to Henry by the Pope. Before he broke away from Rome, of course.
Pre-decimal coins in Australia still carried the title "FD" along with the name of the reigning monarch.
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| 06-11-2012 02:49 AM |
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Aeolienne
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
The English monarch is technically the head of the COE. The Archbishop of Canterbury is like the head administrator.
Defender of the Faith was a title given to Henry by the Pope. Before he broke away from Rome, of course.
Pre-decimal coins in Australia still carried the title "FD" along with the name of the reigning monarch.
No, the head of the CoE is Jesus. The monarch is the Supreme Governor of the church and the Archbishop of Canterbury is the Primate of All England. Yes, I know it makes him sound like a gorilla. Ooh-ooh!
As the player's breath warms the fipple the tone clears.
It is time to consider how Domenico Scarlatti
condensed so much music into so few bars
with never a crabbed turn or congested cadence,
never a boast or a see-here; and stars and lakes
echo him and the copse drums out his measure,
snow peaks are lifted up in moonlight and twilight
and the sun rises on an acknowledged land.
Basil Bunting, Briggflatts
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
the Archbishop of Canterbury is the Primate of All England. Yes, I know it makes him sound like a gorilla. Ooh-ooh!
Well obviously they are not creationists then.
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Luke Mauser
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
Isn't the English monarch still in some sense connected to the church of England? Or is the archbishop of canterbury now full head of the church?
Yes, they are. That is why on British coins it features the initials 'FD'. It stands for 'Defender of the faith'.
The church of England is one of the most despicable and contemptable institutions in the history of Christianity, which is saying a lot. It was set up with the sole purpose of enabling Henry VIII to *** as many women as he liked.
It wasn't. The Church of England was established in the 10th Century, some 600 years before Henry VIII was on the throne.
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Luke Mauser
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Sure, but if we filled them with sawdust and put them in a glass cabinet we could still have the tourism revenue without the associated maintenance costs.
Moreover, its the principle of the thing. There is an unelected, heriditary head of state. How is that compatible with democracy let alone life in the 21st Century?
On a facetious note if we encased Windsor castle in glass I suspect the public would stay at home and go on a 3D virtual tour on their video screens.
People go there to experience the pomp and regalia of a bygone age. The royal family entertain them with marching bands and mounted soldiers in full fancy dress while the elected government use soldiers to kill people in faraway lands in pointless wars.
As I've said before the role of the head of state in the UK is purely symbolic, the head of the country is the prime minister and he has all the power and represents the country in all meaningful discussions with other world leaders whatever their titles.
Even events like the State opening of parliament is a purely symbolic role. I'm sure you don't think that the government would collapse if the queen didn't show up in her guilded carriage and fancy dress entourage.
Somehow I suspect that few would bother turning up to see a president sweeping by in a Zil.
With all due respect I would say that it is you who has failed to move into the 21st century not the monarchy.
The monarchy have long since lost the power to demand your head on a platter just as they have no say in the myriad of silly rules and regulations that are imposed on your daily life by the elected government.
It is even the elected government that determines the cost to the taxpayer of maintaining this historical theme park. (Which is approx a paltry £1 per head of population per year)
Following this line of thought I wonder if this outpouring of red, white and blue is a show of the public's desire to be a part of this historical theme park just for a day.
A bit like the public's bizarre desire to participate in the reality TV programmes and competitions that fill up our TV screens.
It is utterly false to say that the Prime minister holds all the power and the monarch is purely symbolic. Twice in her reign (during the 1970s) the present Queen has interered in politics: Once by inviting the Conservatives to form the government when the Labour party had won the UK election in 1974; and once by dismissing the democratically-elected prime minister of Australia (Gough Whitlam).
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It was awesome. I took part in a street party, complete with bunting.
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| 06-11-2012 01:28 PM |
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Luke Mauser
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
Twice in her reign (during the 1970s) the present Queen has interered in politics: ..... and once by dismissing the democratically-elected prime minister of Australia (Gough Whitlam).
I remember that it was John Kerr who dismissed the democratically elected PM of Australia (Gough Whitlam).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Austra...nal_crisis
The Queen could have removed Kerr as Governor General of Australia (in which role he exercised similar powers to the monarch).
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
Isn't the English monarch still in some sense connected to the church of England? Or is the archbishop of canterbury now full head of the church?
Yes, they are. That is why on British coins it features the initials 'FD'. It stands for 'Defender of the faith'.
The church of England is one of the most despicable and contemptable institutions in the history of Christianity, which is saying a lot. It was set up with the sole purpose of enabling Henry VIII to *** as many women as he liked.
It wasn't. The Church of England was established in the 10th Century, some 600 years before Henry VIII was on the throne.
Prior to 'Enry the CoE was part of the Roman Catholic Church.
So yes, it did exist from AD 597, but in nothing like the form it took from 'Enry's time forward.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England
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Luke Mauser
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Yeah, the Governor General is the Queen's representative in Australia. He acts on her behalf. As Head of State, she has the right to appoint someone to form a government and to dismiss them. I'm merely demonstarting that the monarch's role is not purely ceremonial and symbolic.
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The church of England .......was set up with the sole purpose of enabling Henry VIII to *** as many women as he liked.
I'm pretty sure that Henry VIII was sh@gging as many women as he liked anyway. As were many kings, lords and so on during those times.
I'd hold the beheadings against him more than the sh@gging.
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Yeah, the Governor General is the Queen's representative in Australia. He acts on her behalf. As Head of State, she has the right to appoint someone to form a government and to dismiss them. I'm merely demonstarting that the monarch's role is not purely ceremonial and symbolic.
Agreed.
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Luke Mauser
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
Isn't the English monarch still in some sense connected to the church of England? Or is the archbishop of canterbury now full head of the church?
Yes, they are. That is why on British coins it features the initials 'FD'. It stands for 'Defender of the faith'.
The church of England is one of the most despicable and contemptable institutions in the history of Christianity, which is saying a lot. It was set up with the sole purpose of enabling Henry VIII to *** as many women as he liked.
It wasn't. The Church of England was established in the 10th Century, some 600 years before Henry VIII was on the throne.
Prior to 'Enry the CoE was part of the Roman Catholic Church.
So yes, it did exist from AD 597, but in nothing like the form it took from 'Enry's time forward.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England
Earlier than I thought! But yes, your facts are correct about it being part of, and the distinct from, the Catholic Church. I'm just being a pedant!
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Aeolienne
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RE: Diamond Jubilee
That is why on British coins it features the initials 'FD'. It stands for 'Defender of the faith'.
The title FD (Fidei Defensor) is interesting - it was actually awarded to Henry VIII by the Pope as a reward for denouncing Luther's theological views.
As the player's breath warms the fipple the tone clears.
It is time to consider how Domenico Scarlatti
condensed so much music into so few bars
with never a crabbed turn or congested cadence,
never a boast or a see-here; and stars and lakes
echo him and the copse drums out his measure,
snow peaks are lifted up in moonlight and twilight
and the sun rises on an acknowledged land.
Basil Bunting, Briggflatts
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