They're not exactly that keen upon homosexuality either. Neither are "fake diseases" or "choices"

In my opinion the sooner society gets its head out of its ***, the sooner we can solve the world's problems.

Windy just noticed you have not discussed my apparent hypocrisy. You were going to let me know, weren't you? I mean you went to the trouble to make the claim, right?

Yeah I saw it - I "made" a quick reply and did not post it.  (my drafts folder has 659 in it.) Did not know you would still want to "talk about it" when I have a few minutes I'll try to typo check ..

This post was last modified: 05-23-2012 09:46 PM by windy.

Cool. Like to at least see and either refute or agree with the claim, it seems a strong position to take, as I feel I barely know you to judge such things.

This post was last modified: 05-24-2012 03:08 AM by Bloke.

Maybe start with that quick reply you started typing out and work from there?

05-17-2012, 10:10 AM
lol

bloke wrote: ", yes of course, there are expectations and if one member is being lazy in choosing not to be as productive as they can do out of choice which this obviously is by any reading then they need to be called on it IF they are choosing to then try to troll forums for lulz. They deserve nothing less and no it does not in any way insult people with genuine reasons for not being able to do the things that someone else may be able to do but chooses not to. That would be bloody silly to suggest and you are not silly Windy.
Which makes me wonder why you went there?

So that out the way. Why DID you choose to go there? You also implied i was a hypocrite.

Let's talk about that. " end of portion of what Bloke wrote.



Well I do not know how what I said brought ALL that .  I want to just say re-read your post and then think, seem a bit ironic mocking the fact that (for one example) some people do not have girl friends).  So, your I though it was very in your face ; over-board and mean and malicious and the hypocrisy was that the theme of the thread was civility at least between AS people and that there are people (in this thread an NT) that are acting lieke they are all better than someone else... and your post aimed (it seemed to me) to demean.  (irony?) So even though there as an obvious troll - everyone was just being all polite to not take the bait. So you and I see this differntly that is okay.

the only reason I type this reply   is from your second post...

I want to sure what you mean by going "there"  I think you are talking about this last portion? ( the rest of your post did not mean anything to me- I do not know where all that came from - and I* infered nothing of the sort...so to be clear I post the last portion about why I chose to go "there". 
 (I meant it was mean to mock someone for not having friends,  or a girlfriend , or not getting out of the house, and said nothing about an NT or non-NT (mentally challenged person going to college). Feeding the troll with the words above that are meant as INSUTLTS to a troll, but what about other (nice) people who the words may describe?)
to your reply:
There is nothing obvious - and I do not agree with a ost that might suggest that WE can tell the reasons why some people can get job and some cannot. I do not think it is up to any of us to determine/judge who/what we think is productive - that does seem like hypocrisy.

The irony I spoke of (the thread title had hyposcrisy in AS)  was that OTHER people and (NOT THE TROLL) would /could read what you wrote and be (inadvertantly) made to feel bad.

and none of your other words have anything at all to do with anything I thought or said or infered or anything..so while you think my interpretation is "interesting, your reply - is off base...

a muddying of waters - placatating parents, little old ladies, college? expectations, benchmarks?  Troll forum lulz? Yes, I understand the inferences and words you are alluding to but they do not seem to have anything at all do do with my post (or even yours)

BLOKE - I started my quicky reply on May 17 at 10:10 am... you keep asking for a reply.  I really am sorry but I do not have the time - or the mind set - and do not wish to go back in time to how exactly I was thinking or feeling when I read your 1st or 2nd post  - but since you want me to continue this (tangent) I wil post my draft. (such as it is! )  

It may not make any sense, but it just goes to show there are many ways to think about how people process a bunch of words - a lot of preception does to what was going on in the thread and on the forum (and in my home most likely) when I first read the thread.

So even if I do not make my point - or even if you do not understand anything I typed here.  Oh well.  I do hope you can see that your second post was totally baffling to me and came out of left field.

edit: oh the short version: there was a troll and you said mean things to it - things that to me - if read /when read can be precievd as harmful and wrong to some. So I did not htink that it was well said.

This post was last modified: 05-24-2012 06:02 PM by windy.

Thanks for the reply Windy.

Now let me try to clarify. A troll who misuses their time to try to "own" others online is not to be entertained. That is precisely what they are after. It is a game to them so why let them score points and win? You of course see the merit in this.

To hold a mirror up to them and expose their attempts at suberfuge is the best way to do this and to mock them for it is best in making them feel exposed and vulnerable as the very people they seek to "own" or "pwn".

So who is the troll? Generally a young teenage or young adult with too much time on their hand and a fragile ego taht they need to bolster by undermining others.

But there are many such young people with fragile egos and who are young and such, why are they not trollls? Because a troll is a "special" kind of person. What i have found is generally the troll is a person who is not that successful in other aspects of their life and sees this as a means to get a quick fix of ego feeding. This gets to be a bit of a habit and what they sacrifice in order for the next fix is a social life and a want to be constructive. They are NOT doing this out of neccessity.

They are not prevented from going out and being social. They are pathetic little cretins who are by their own actions in spending too much free time online looking for the next pwn, inhibiting what could otherwise be spent more creatively. In effect they are not getting a life they could get and are being indulgent and spoiled and acting in a manner that feeds this.

They are prepared to forgo the chance of socialising because they have a great trolling expedition coming up. They are happy to be deadbeats.
Are Aspie kids with poor social skills in any way like a troll? No, unless they are trolls too.

If the only thing separating a person from a life outside of the confines of your computer was the pure enjoyment  and power you get upsetting others then that to me is not an excuse to dismiss that life. It is not a valid reason.

If the thing that was stopping you from doing the same was sensory overload, social anxiety and social misreadings...do you think that I or anyone reading what I said would equate it to the same thing? No, I don't think so either.

In fact I think most reading that would nknow that what I said about the troll was well placed on him and was based on his choices to trolll and says nothing about other people's difficulties nor is a callous thing to express generally.

It is in the same way that you would not be offensive telling one child to get out and play some sport or get some physical exercise and rail on them for sitting down all day and not getting any exercise and giving them a hard time for their inactivity whilst not demanding the same of another teenage sibling with a heart condition. It would not need to be rephrased or apologised for.

Yet that is precisely what you are saying here, isn't it? You expect that I should be careful how i phrase what I am saying to the troll with a mind to that hard time being taken on board for the 'inactivity" by the person who has no option for the inactivity, to whom i have no issue.

Not seeing the problem, nor the offense and certainly not the hypocrisy. I do not think anyone else saw it either.

No I don't think you explained it either. But you did infer i was a hypocrite and i would like to understand this assumption about my values that you seem to have.

This post was last modified: 05-24-2012 06:52 PM by Bloke.