The universe is on a knife edge. By freak occurence we are here. Our species almost wiped out before we began. The Adromena galaxy hurtling towards us at faster and faster rates maybe colliding with us before the sun burns out and leaves Earth unihabitable. 99% of all species ever to have existed have been wiped out on Earth.

So...let's talk of intelligent design. LOL

you see why im obsessed with philosophy?

i find it interesting that religious rhetoric in the present day is almost entirely absent of unique philosophical thought. on the other end, the foundations of science lay upon philosophy...although i must say that some scientific questions are becoming less and less philosophical in nature as more people who do not know how to think become experimenters...its like the industrial mindset infiltrated science so that people are trained to run experiments and write grammatically correct papers, but they are not trained to think, deduce, and put a multitude of ideas together into a coherent narrative.(relativity theory is a great example of when philosophy and science work together) whats the point of religion or science without philosophy?

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2 - Fact support. Not hypothesis.

3- Like 142857 said, contradicting theory can exist.  M and cord theory from what i understand are opposite too.

4- No it wouldn't. There is no fact supporting it, therefor it's an hypothesis, not a theory.

That as been debunk so many time, even in court.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_HVrjKcvrU

I think they deny abiogenesis inside theory of evolution more then anything, but they cant seem to grasp there is a difference between evolution and abiogenesis. But then again, creationist are not knowed for their scientific knowledge.

Natural selection can be observe and even tested.
Darwin came up with it by observing some adaptation. Ring species is a good exemple of natural selection observation. Elephant tusk getting shorter is a good example too.

We can grow "resistant to substance X" bacteria, virus etc.

In the "Origin Of Species" Darwin mde predictions, such as that fossils woul be found linking humans to apes either in Africa or Asia. Of course we not only found a link, but we can trace the evolution of our species from a common ancestor with chimpanzees back around 5 million years. Is that level of accuracy in prediction, and other examples, enough to call it a theory?

2- actually, for the example i was giving in psychology, they are hypotheses. they are testable, and back by facts, but the facts are explained and tested differently depending on the perspective.

4-Some might disagree, there's as much fact supporting it as some archeological suppositions about ancient human societies, etc. And if you believe in conspiracies you would think otherwise.

The foundation of the Buddhist religion is that life is suffering. But I don't think even they believe God "invented" suffering.

I don't know how to explain lives that are entirely pain and deprivation, such as some of our fellow autistics that were warehoused in abusive institutions. My understanding is that we experience everything through cycles of rebirth until we learn balance.

The "suffering" that most of us complain about is a form of entitlement. It is what helps us to grow and define priorities. Maybe "God wants" us to be strong and wise.

But these discussion points are what religion is for, for they cannot really be answered scientifically, which always requires measurements.

4- No. You are making the same mistake as religious people do. I dont and can't believe before evidence as been presented. I cant just believe and then see evidence. There is no evidence to support these hypothesis. None.

Does God create suffering or allow Satan to create suffering? Disabilities, diseases, and insisting that people have no sex until one man and one woman marry for life. Oh yeah, the pain of childbirth, supposedly bestowed on Eve for her role in the apple.

You need not tell me the what scientific research method is I am a Master's in sociology.

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All that you name is entitlement suffering to help you grow in wisdom and compassion.  

Eve is an allegory, and males have used it to punish women for far too long. Adam ratted Eve out, the lily livered rat fink.

Pain in childbirth is because we give birth to large craniums not because we are baaad - to give life to someone with the potential to survive without claws, fangs, and fur. . I gave birth to a 10lb baby with no pain meds - does that mean I am an extra good girl??? God loves me the best????

Lol neither can I. But, I give benefit of the doubt to those who believe they have seen evidence. Its always a possibility, although I tend to think of life in terms of a life-force, and therefore [to me] the stars could be considered extraterrestrial life. hence, its quite easy for me to give benefit of doubt to others. their beliefs don't hurt me in anyway, so no use in arguing.

Here is another question. Does God offer compassion and morality in the hearts of men and women?
The Christian answer is "YES"
The REAL answer is by any in depth reading not as cut and dry is it? Why?
A sweet natured Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Buddhist or what have you, can lead a decent life and be kind and exhibits all the behaviours sought after by God.....except one. They do not worhip God.
Their punishment? eternal damnation and fire and torment for eternity.
A death row killer/rapist. In his years of incarceration "finds" God and accepts him......and is "saved"
The act of salvation gets him an audience and ticket into heaven.
God is not compassionate nor moral by this reading and worse the lynchpin of the faith is not your moral credibility but your unquestioning servitute to the idea of him and your want to blindly accept and worship him aand denouncing all other Gods.
The morality is an add-on at best. Your servitude is what is required. That is not moral.