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sg1008
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RE: Video- (Atheism destroyed with one question) What do you think?
My statement was not at all vague though....was it?
In fact the statement probably did not need expanding, but I did for you anyhow. So as to your position? Now that is a little vague. Your argument itself is rather vague. lol.
What do I mean?
Now whilst i was talking of Bronze age tribal people who "spoke" and were "commanded" to a Christian God and were the people to hold the belief as ascribe it as "Do not suffer a witch" in their doctrines, you introduce Native American indians,
Whilst I talk about the Schitzophrania and Multiple Disorders, you talk of epilespy and Aspergers.
Whilst I talk about psychology having practical and beneficial implicatications you denounce psychology because of cultural bias and back this with racism inherent in a society.
So with all THOSE vague references thrown into the mix, what is your actual position?
IS it that people hearing and acting on voices is a natural and endearing trait?
That such conditions ought not be psychologically kept in check?
That our modern day understanding and ability to medicate is a bad thing?
That modern societies understanding of the humnan mind is worse than that of ancient people?
That if some one announces to all they are the son of God and have a mission to share with the world, it is a good thing? If so, do you think that the same could be said if they said they were the Son of Sam?
I do not think you actually have a position at all. You accuse me of being vague and yet make no real assertions. All you are really doing here is muddying the waters and naysaying, for what i do not know.
I suspect (and I could be wrong) it is an attempt to do a little misdirection and not to be adding to the dialogue really in a constructive sense to garner admiration for your vagaritities and obscure references, without having to commit to a premise at all.
Am I right? See I am not so vague afterall...lol.
i suppose i thought it was vague because, as someone with a psych degree, i know that there are many areas of psychology which are corrupt and need advancing, as well as areas which do a lot of good, and to state that you are thankful to "the advanced work" (I think, which work?, where, how and with whom) of "psychologists" (Im thinking, which psychologists?, in what field, with what populations) and "psychology in general" (thats like saying and art in general- soooo many different facets...). since I have some mighty passionate criticisms in some areas, and fine applause in others, i could not respond without wondering which areas you were applauding and if you realized how limited the field actually is. dont get me wrong- it HAS developed over the years, but there are some major issues still at hand. it is also a baby science with a lot of well-defined and un-defined branches, which makes "psychology" a rather vague reference, at least for someone like me.
if you can see where im coming from, you may see why i can't be quick to agree with being "thankful" for all psychologist and psychology. with some more specific references i can make a better judgment and agree with you. ..like many, i am a psychology major because i want to help advance the field, not because i think its already advanced, so i found your statement about "advanced" work rather amusing.
im not ungrateful either, which is probably why my response sounded vague to you. broadly speaking, i am thankful for the field because I have a major, and i know many fine psychologists with many fine research labs and practices, but i cannot turn a blind eye to its many faults, and the fact that it has harmed some people nearly as much as it has helped others.
This post was last modified: 05-23-2012 03:00 AM by sg1008.
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RE: Video- (Atheism destroyed with one question) What do you think?
A sweet natured Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Buddhist or what have you, can lead a decent life and be kind and exhibits all the behaviours sought after by God.....except one. They do not worhip God.
Their punishment? eternal damnation and fire and torment for eternity.
A death row killer/rapist. In his years of incarceration "finds" God and accepts him......and is "saved"
The act of salvation gets him an audience and ticket into heaven.
God is not compassionate nor moral by this reading and worse the lynchpin of the faith is not your moral credibility but your unquestioning servitute to the idea of him and your want to blindly accept and worship him aand denouncing all other Gods.
The morality is an add-on at best. Your servitude is what is required. That is not moral.
Way too many religions create God in their own image for social control, and way too many people follow mindlessly. Religion is an effective way to define "normal" and reject those who deviate from it. None of this has anything to do with God or spirituality.
Heaven is not a cloud dead people go to for harp lessons if they have been a good girl or boy. "The kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:21)." It is equally accessible to Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Buddhists, Christians, and ex-killers/rapists who can find the way to their own goodness.
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We sour green apples live our own inscrutable, carefree lives... (Max Frei)
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Bloke
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RE: Video- (Atheism destroyed with one question) What do you think?
My statement was not at all vague though....was it?
In fact the statement probably did not need expanding, but I did for you anyhow. So as to your position? Now that is a little vague. Your argument itself is rather vague. lol.
What do I mean?
Now whilst i was talking of Bronze age tribal people who "spoke" and were "commanded" to a Christian God and were the people to hold the belief as ascribe it as "Do not suffer a witch" in their doctrines, you introduce Native American indians,
Whilst I talk about the Schitzophrania and Multiple Disorders, you talk of epilespy and Aspergers.
Whilst I talk about psychology having practical and beneficial implicatications you denounce psychology because of cultural bias and back this with racism inherent in a society.
So with all THOSE vague references thrown into the mix, what is your actual position?
IS it that people hearing and acting on voices is a natural and endearing trait?
That such conditions ought not be psychologically kept in check?
That our modern day understanding and ability to medicate is a bad thing?
That modern societies understanding of the humnan mind is worse than that of ancient people?
That if some one announces to all they are the son of God and have a mission to share with the world, it is a good thing? If so, do you think that the same could be said if they said they were the Son of Sam?
I do not think you actually have a position at all. You accuse me of being vague and yet make no real assertions. All you are really doing here is muddying the waters and naysaying, for what i do not know.
I suspect (and I could be wrong) it is an attempt to do a little misdirection and not to be adding to the dialogue really in a constructive sense to garner admiration for your vagaritities and obscure references, without having to commit to a premise at all.
Am I right? See I am not so vague afterall...lol.
i suppose i thought it was vague because, as someone with a psych degree, i know that there are many areas of psychology which are corrupt and need advancing, as well as areas which do a lot of good, and to state that you are thankful to "the advanced work" (I think, which work?, where, how and with whom) of "psychologists" (Im thinking, which psychologists?, in what field, with what populations) and "psychology in general" (thats like saying and art in general- soooo many different facets...). since I have some mighty passionate criticisms in some areas, and fine applause in others, i could not respond without wondering which areas you were applauding and if you realized how limited the field actually is. dont get me wrong- it HAS developed over the years, but there are some major issues still at hand. it is also a baby science with a lot of well-defined and un-defined branches, which makes "psychology" a rather vague reference, at least for someone like me.
if you can see where im coming from, you may see why i can't be quick to agree with being "thankful" for all psychologist and psychology. with some more specific references i can make a better judgment and agree with you. ..like many, i am a psychology major because i want to help advance the field, not because i think its already advanced, so i found your statement about "advanced" work rather amusing.
im not ungrateful either, which is probably why my response sounded vague to you. broadly speaking, i am thankful for the field because I have a major, and i know many fine psychologists with many fine research labs and practices, but i cannot turn a blind eye to its many faults, and the fact that it has harmed some people nearly as much as it has helped others.
Definately and we can of course state that even in the medical fields that people have serious symptoms overlooked for reasons of the patient being 'fat", female, autistic and a number of other things. In fact we have a thread running somewhere identifying this too. It is not a matter though of throwing the baby out with the bathwater when we say, despite this, that the advancement of medicine and surgery is far more advanced and more beneficial by and large than that of the practices around in Bronze Age Tribal societies.
Hell much of Psychology I see as abstarct guesswork. Whilst we applaud Sigmund Freud's insight and development of treating shell shock victims most people do not take seriously or at least appreciate only in very genralised terms the Penis envy and Oedipus complex trains of thought.
It doesn't mean taht as a whole that society is worse off for the advances that are made, irrespective of such things.
Society is better off.
As for the pointedness of my post. I was in a *** mood last night for unrelated stuff and I was perhaps a little more agressive than I ought to be so my apologies there.
Sometimes I can be a bit over the top.
In your case, less "tetchy", perhaps, and more "overbearing, obnoxious arsehole", if it's all the same with you, Bloke. Is it ok? Oh, good! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k
"Aint nobody got time for that"
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Bloke
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RE: Video- (Atheism destroyed with one question) What do you think?
A sweet natured Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Buddhist or what have you, can lead a decent life and be kind and exhibits all the behaviours sought after by God.....except one. They do not worhip God.
Their punishment? eternal damnation and fire and torment for eternity.
A death row killer/rapist. In his years of incarceration "finds" God and accepts him......and is "saved"
The act of salvation gets him an audience and ticket into heaven.
God is not compassionate nor moral by this reading and worse the lynchpin of the faith is not your moral credibility but your unquestioning servitute to the idea of him and your want to blindly accept and worship him aand denouncing all other Gods.
The morality is an add-on at best. Your servitude is what is required. That is not moral.
Way too many religions create God in their own image for social control, and way too many people follow mindlessly. Religion is an effective way to define "normal" and reject those who deviate from it. None of this has anything to do with God or spirituality.
Heaven is not a cloud dead people go to for harp lessons if they have been a good girl or boy. "The kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:21)." It is equally accessible to Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Buddhists, Christians, and ex-killers/rapists who can find the way to their own goodness.
Yes Man is not created in God's image, but visa versa
In your case, less "tetchy", perhaps, and more "overbearing, obnoxious arsehole", if it's all the same with you, Bloke. Is it ok? Oh, good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k
"Aint nobody got time for that"
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sg1008
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RE: Video- (Atheism destroyed with one question) What do you think?
Definately and we can of course state that even in the medical fields that people have serious symptoms overlooked for reasons of the patient being 'fat", female, autistic and a number of other things. In fact we have a thread running somewhere identifying this too. It is not a matter though of throwing the baby out with the bathwater when we say, despite this, that the advancement of medicine and surgery is far more advanced and more beneficial by and large than that of the practices around in Bronze Age Tribal societies.
Hell much of Psychology I see as abstarct guesswork. Whilst we applaud Sigmund Freud's insight and development of treating shell shock victims most people do not take seriously or at least appreciate only in very genralised terms the Penis envy and Oedipus complex trains of thought.
It doesn't mean taht as a whole that society is worse off for the advances that are made, irrespective of such things.
Society is better off.
As for the pointedness of my post. I was in a *** mood last night for unrelated stuff and I was perhaps a little more agressive than I ought to be so my apologies there.
Sometimes I can be a bit over the top.
I can agree with that...i get a little worked up though when i think of the "wrongs" which have been committed. I suppose the real question is, how advanced does one feel society as a whole is?
and no offense taken to the pointedness- get in a bad mood sometimes too.
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