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Talking to poorly articulated or abstract people - Harder?
Does anyone else prefer to talk to people of higher intellect purely due to personal cognitive understanding?
I find that more intelligent people tend to speak concisely and more articulately, with the usage of longer words sounding more unique with less potential for mishearing.
People of low intelligence on the other hand seem to use clusters of small words with little regard for the recipient. Not sure if theres colloquial factors or not. I work in a call centre and this is just a anaylsis i've come to from speaking to various people across the country of varied backgrounds. Its fairly easy to pick up on someones intellectual ability from their general diction and vocabulary or at least there is usually some corroboration between the two.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
Does anyone else prefer to talk to people of higher intellect purely due to personal cognitive understanding?
I enjoy communing with a wide variety of people. There are lots of ways to categorize people (neuro presentation, skin color, SE background, gender, etc.), and I enjoy most.
The ones that baffle me, though, are ones who fervently harbor beliefs despite a profound lack of curiosity and education about these beliefs. This is most common in my experience in some people with strong beliefs about religion and politics.
They (the ones who baffle me) assert that curiosity (e.g. questions) is heretical and education (e.g. facts and theories) is suspect. They just know what's right and present circular arguments. Sometimes I find this tiresome b/c I don't seem to get any closer to understanding their perspectives.
Please don't misunderstand. I enjoy a good political or religious argument, and many people with strong opinions are forming them with curiosity and education. and sometimes "facts" are suspicious.
Intelligence is a complex thing and not everyone who is smart is also wise. And sometimes wisdom is found in unexpected places. I find this exciting!
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
. Its fairly easy to pick up on someones intellectual ability from their general diction and vocabulary or at least there is usually some corroboration between the two.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
The ones that baffle me, though, are ones who fervently harbor beliefs despite a profound lack of curiosity and education about these beliefs. This is most common in my experience in some people with strong beliefs about religion and politics.
People tend to base their religious and political opinions around their personal experiences and material conditioning, its not really their fault that they treat these experiences as empirical truths.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
People tend to base their religious and political opinions around their personal experiences and material conditioning, its not really their fault that they treat these experiences as empirical truths.
Oh, guilty as charged, but with being questioned on my beliefs in good discussions, I gradually recognize these prejudices and edit them appropriately. These forums on AFF have been so very valuable to me in this regard!!
Its the assertion that curiosity (e.g. questions) is heretical and education (i.e. facts and theories not school) is suspect that baffles me.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
I have heard some real idiots use some real big words. You don't know what they are saying, secretly they don't either. Thats kind of clever of them really but its the only thing they got to mask the fact that they are simply educated idiots. I have met plenty of very intelligent people who don't use big words, and its not always because they don't know them. Some people just don't feel the need. I like to think I can be versatile, using big words sometimes and very simple language other times or something in between. Like a lot of Aspies from what I have heard I care not much about the syntax I talk the Russian sometimes. I know the rules of grammar just usually don't care that much.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
Some folks just like to look down on others. Thinking they are better than those around them.
Thats called elitism.
You can learn life-lessons from even the least 'intelligent' of humans
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
On a tangent, I find it amusing when people deliberately use words that they don't expect their target audience to understand, in an attempt to sound intellectual. It is even funnier when they pause and ask whether you know what this or that word means.
Regarding the OP, I think this is more about the ability of intelligent and well educated people to express themselves clearly and accurately, rather than elitism.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
I would disagree 142857.
Judging from the OP`s other postings, IMO, he looks down on a lot of us.
Thats just an opinion, since I dont know him IRL.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
P.P.S. You have a FANTASTIC vocabulary, Thomas81. Yes FANTASTIC = fantasy land originated = real world = reality.
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It really depends on your taste in personality, because I tend to prefer intellectual males or less-intellectual females because they listen.
Smart girls think they're too good for me because they know how to wear make-up and wear $80 pants that their daddy bought them, stupid guys think that I'm crazy and have lunged after me with weapons -- claiming that I was on drugs and was harassing them.
So in short... To reduce the duration/span of this message... Choose wisely, choose all. Eventually, they'll catch up to you. If not ~ at least you can take the goods home for yourself.
Cheers.
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P.S. "Intelligence" and "Common Sense" are often parallel. Do take care not to confuse an advanced vocabulary for an advanced ability to communicate proficiently to other human beings.
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Does anyone else prefer to talk to people of higher intellect purely due to personal cognitive understanding?
I find that more intelligent people tend to speak concisely and more articulately, with the usage of longer words sounding more unique with less potential for mishearing.
People of low intelligence <--- lower IQ would be a less derogatory way of putting that. Those people will be more likely to listen to you if you can speak in a way that they are most likely to understand you. Ex: Eebawnix, TWAKEaNeese -- o Espanol. Como se dice 'Smoke-a-da-pipe' en eh-Spanish?
on the other hand seem to use clusters of small words with little regard for the recipient. Not sure if theres colloquial factors or not. I work in a call centre and this is just a anaylsis i've come to from speaking to various people across the country of varied backgrounds. Its fairly easy to pick up on someones intellectual ability from their general diction and vocabulary or at least there is usually some corroboration between the two.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
Its fairly easy to pick up on someones intellectual ability from their general diction and vocabulary or at least there is usually some corroboration between the two.
This is a very old assumption of social darwinists that has never been proven, and there is a great deal of evidence to the contrary. Nonetheless, people prefer their prejudices.
I would hate to think we could end up with a society dominated by such "theorists" again. If you look at many of the books written around that time, people had some radical ideas about the sentence, especially how long it should be, and how many commas it needs. As far as run-on sentences go, I admit I have done some whoppers, but at least you don't need more than one hand to count the number of complete thoughts I've used!
As far as the rest of the OP, I generally find it's easier to talk to people who understand some common references with me, as far as fiction, music, and so on. Very smart and very stupid people who have never read the Hitch-hikers Guide Trilogy live in a completely different universe.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
Does anyone else prefer to talk to people of higher intellect purely due to personal cognitive understanding?
I find that more intelligent people tend to speak concisely and more articulately, with the usage of longer words sounding more unique with less potential for mishearing.
People of low intelligence on the other hand seem to use clusters of small words with little regard for the recipient. Not sure if theres colloquial factors or not. I work in a call centre and this is just a anaylsis i've come to from speaking to various people across the country of varied backgrounds. Its fairly easy to pick up on someones intellectual ability from their general diction and vocabulary or at least there is usually some corroboration between the two.
Do you just assume that? You said you found that more intelligent people speak that way, but did you just decide that on your own? I don't think you should judge how stupid or smart someone is by the advanced vocabulary they use. People can just think that, and then be predisposed to finding anyone using (perfectly good) smaller vocabulary as less smart, because that's what you're expecting. Sometimes I think people begin talking that way to sound "smart" (sometimes) because people think intelligence is about how long the words you use are. Any old fool can train themselves to sound that way. And intelligent people could have just not been bothered with the more advanced vocabulary. I don't think longer words are more intelligent, myself. If a smaller word means the same thing... there's no difference. It's about WHAT you say, not how "big" the words are. Sentences with advanced vocabulary can be confusing as well. I think it's pretty easy to avoid messing up sentences or not sounding clear enough. I don't see a strong enough relationship between advanced wording and sounding clear/simpler wording and not sounding as clear. Some people that use advanced vocabulary can actually just be nothing but huge elitist snobs about it, if they call others who don't naturally go out of their way to use advanced words dumb or things like that. It can be an ego or superiority thing. I don't think it's so important. Maybe my vocabulary wasn't cool enough in this post for it to be understood xD
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
Its fairly easy to pick up on someones intellectual ability from their general diction and vocabulary or at least there is usually some corroboration between the two.
This is a very old assumption of social darwinists that has never been proven, and there is a great deal of evidence to the contrary. Nonetheless, people prefer their prejudices.
I would hate to think we could end up with a society dominated by such "theorists" again. If you look at many of the books written around that time, people had some radical ideas about the sentence, especially how long it should be, and how many commas it needs. As far as run-on sentences go, I admit I have done some whoppers, but at least you don't need more than one hand to count the number of complete thoughts I've used!
As far as the rest of the OP, I generally find it's easier to talk to people who understand some common references with me, as far as fiction, music, and so on. Very smart and very stupid people who have never read the Hitch-hikers Guide Trilogy live in a completely different universe.
Now, this is a smart post. I'd hope most of society would never start thinking like that.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
On a tangent, I find it amusing when people deliberately use words that they don't expect their target audience to understand, in an attempt to sound intellectual. It is even funnier when they pause and ask whether you know what this or that word means.
Regarding the OP, I think this is more about the ability of intelligent and well educated people to express themselves clearly and accurately, rather than elitism.
I guess it can be an indicator that you're well educated or remember vocabulary way, but saying that if you DON'T tend to use fancy wording you're less intelligent is a bit snotty to me. Or trying to determine someone's intelligence by it. That's how they ought to do it in schools. Pick out people who use advanced vocabulary, and put them into gifted groups. /sarcasm.
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RE: Talking to people of low intelligence- harder?
Young people have to make a conscious effort to improve their vocabulary daily. It is not encouraged in schools beyond grade school level when part of the curriculum is spelling with primers. I have even been told that spelling bees and use of the primer is not popular these days.
I see no point is expanding my vocabulary except to add in technical terms as required. Even in technical papers it is often required to give a definition of terms in the beginning.
There is however a need to communicate to others at a level which they understand. It is an effort on the part of someone with aspergers to determine if someone does understand what is being explained by them. Facial and social cues might not be detected. I will often ask a person if they understand and have them repeat back what important information regarding safety that I have just relayed.
I assume that the original poster might be from England where accent and diction is important as a component of class however snobbish that might be. I find in North American one cannot judge a person by their local accent. However someone using profane words as substitutes for several nouns, adjectives, and verbs might be an indication of a lack of vocabulary. However I would not under estimate their prowess.
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