Back on topic:

"Self Aware HFA" is probably not the best label.

How about "Self Recognized HFA/Aspie". Like I said, "Self Diagnosed" sounds too much like playing doctor with yourself. Look up a definition of "medical diagnosis" and you'll see what I mean.

And I have already said that those same traits are the sign of a person who can worm their way to the top and destroy it, as I had already pointed ouut in the case of the former leader of Goldman Sachs.

Well that's because technically that's what you're doing.

Well, technically (according to Wikipedia and anywhere else I've seen) "medical diagnosis" means:

And, guess what: I don't have a disease or disorder. So I don't need a doctor to diagnose me. And I don't need to diagnose myself. I recognize all of the classic traits (and then some) in myself, especially how I was as a child, and you know what they say: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

This post was last modified: 01-27-2012 01:57 PM by 142857.

Yes, you already pointed it ouuut, and I disagree. As with autism there are huge variations in how high-functioning different sociopaths and psychopaths are. It is, of course, dangerous to have a psychopath running your company... but not always fatal. I've been around enough of them to know that.

I already said diagnosis is not just medical on page 1. It's even the first thing I say on this page.

Context is important. You just said that technically I am playing doctor. So what sort of diagnosis do doctor's do? Pretty basic really if you think about it.

Can you make a sensible debate without trying to poke holes all the time in simple mistakes?

And this sounds exactly like saying that because someone doesn't cause the apocalypse but simply weakens your company and leads it to long-term ruin then it's okay.
Nothing about actual psychopaths that distinguishes from normal human beings is beneficial to anyone but them. They only do so well because they actively imitate normal Humans to get their way.

Seems more like you're forgetting what you claimed yourself.
If you say you are something and it's all your own close observations and beliefs then you're self-diagnosed. If you call that playing doctor then it is.

and so it goes on.
Another thread with the life being sapped out of it by this pointless back and forth crap.
Stop it. Yes you, you know who you are.

Please stop complaining about orderly debate Cynara. It's wearing pretty thin when you always jump in about 'back-and-forth crap' whilst posting inflammatory comments

Even someone who is qualified to diagnose others is not allowed to diagnose themselves or family members as they are too subjective.

Not that self DX is necessarily invalid but an objective point of view from a professional, ie someone who should know a lot about it, have experience and be objective, should in theory be more likely to be accurate and also gives the opportunity to DX comorbids which self DX would probably miss.

Also, professional DX is not always believed by people so self DX has less chance... not that telling people is necessarily the point.

If you want or need to use autism services you usually need a pro DX.

The Disability Discrimination Act (or regional equivalent) will not help you if you are self DX.

Note: disability ^ the legal term not necessarily actually disabled as such.

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Aye, the problem is that if he's self-diagnosing with the intention of not seeing autism as pathological then that's another whole pile of issues. The first is that autism is so notoriously subjective that people have sort of joined in even when strictly any autistic traits they have are in fact just personality traits. The second is people have declared they are autistic for hipster reasons/as an excuse.

Your first point does hold true 41 though. I have seen several cases of people 'out of the goodness of their heart' say their relative is 'in denial' about their 'autism'. It's cognitive bias.

I pretty much agree with all of that. Which is why I don't like the term "self-diagnosed".

A doctor is the only person qualified to tell me whether I have an illness or disorder. If I were saying that I have an illness or disorder then I would be self-diagnosing. But I am not, in fact, diagnosing myself or anyone else. Which makes the term misleading.

From your profile:
"Self-diagnosed Aspie/HFA"
which I take to mean that you consider yourself Aspie/HFA regardless of the term "Self-diagnosed".
Autism is a disorder because amongst other things, includes neurophysical differences... it is not the norm therefore is a disorder.

Edit: so if you consider yourself aspie and therefore different, you consider yourself to have a disorder, no?

This post was last modified: 01-27-2012 07:55 PM by 41 6c 79.