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Gareth
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
To answer your bump:
Yes, it's a symptom of love - you love them, you lose them, the loss hurts. But if you keep the pain going for too long when you could fix it, you will disrespect their memory in a massive way.


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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
To answer your bump:
Yes, it's a symptom of love - you love them, you lose them, the loss hurts. But if you keep the pain going for too long when you could fix it, you will disrespect their memory in a massive way.
yes I can admit I had love for them, I just did not feel a loss when they passed.
I felt it was because I had said goodbye to them in my own way.
Perhaps an Autist way of looking at things
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
Most cultural death worship is simply denial of the reality - we are biological organisms with a limited serviceable lifespan. And I have seen death worship that most would struggle to believe. I shelled out (indirectly) something like $15K to $20K on buffaloes for my father-in-law's funeral ceremony, only to see them (and many others) bleed to death in a large pool of gore in front of a gawking crowd of tourists and villagers. I say "see" in a metaphorical sense - I averted my gaze, but I did hear the dying buffaloes thrashing about, and I saw the messy aftermath. They built an amazing village (primarily out of raw bamboo) that was big enough to house 500 people, just for the thousand or so people who attended his funeral ceremony over 3 days, then tore it down and burnt it. You can imagine the expense, and for what? My father-in-law was just as dead. But it gave his family peace of mind that he had moved on to the next life with a high status.
Thanks for sharing.
I read somewhere that in some far eastern countries they throw money on the funeral pyres. Apparently the higher the denomination the greater the grief.
That is understandable but not very practical for an impoverished widow.
So now you can buy death money to throw on the pyre which is printed in very high denominations (millions and billions) but virtually worthless.
That I cannot understand.
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
To answer your bump:
Yes, it's a symptom of love - you love them, you lose them, the loss hurts. But if you keep the pain going for too long when you could fix it, you will disrespect their memory in a massive way.
yes I can admit I had love for them, I just did not feel a loss when they passed.
I felt it was because I had said goodbye to them in my own way.
Perhaps an Autist way of looking at things
I usually go for the moments of silence...
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
Let's move on here please......
No more discussion involving sociopathy and kapkao please - including from you kapkao.
Gareth are you really going to avoid the comments above and where SKyblue just said he was openly mocking me? And all of the damage Kapkao has caused and his ready admittal of it?
I'm asking all parties to move on.


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| 01-30-2012 12:11 AM |
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
How long is too long for grief?
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
How long is too long for grief?
I think that the person grieving is the only one who can tell how long. Like if they cannot go back to work and then can't buy food or take care of their kids....then I gues they need help.
Some people can and do manage to grieve for years and years - being sad at all the times they used to be with that person.
I do agree that if people need help and the help is medication, so be it. I just don't like labels.
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| 01-30-2012 12:19 AM |
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
How long is too long for grief?
I think that the person grieving is the only one who can tell how long. Like if they cannot go back to work and then can't buy food or take care of their kids....then I gues they need help.
Some people can and do manage to grieve for years and years - being sad at all the times they used to be with that person.
I do agree that if people need help and the help is medication, so be it. I just don't like labels.
neither do I
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| 01-30-2012 12:23 AM |
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
Labels do have a place though - they help in categorising and understanding what we're talking about.


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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
Labels do have a place though - they help in categorising and understanding what we're talking about.
Aye, but labelling 15% of all people like they are intending to do is a statistic dreamed up from thin air.
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| 01-30-2012 12:44 AM |
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
You seem a bit caught up on that statistic, if it's accurate then why would it be a bad thing? If it's not accurate, why does it matter?


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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
You seem a bit caught up on that statistic, if it's accurate then why would it be a bad thing? If it's not accurate, why does it matter?
If it's accurate then people are still misusing the word grief when what they actually mean is depression. If it's not accurate since the proclomation was made by a man central to the group pushing this agenda then it means they are lying about the severity and are thus manipulating people.
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| 01-30-2012 12:54 AM |
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
You seem a bit caught up on that statistic, if it's accurate then why would it be a bad thing? If it's not accurate, why does it matter?
If it's accurate then people are still misusing the word grief when what they actually mean is depression. If it's not accurate since the proclomation was made by a man central to the group pushing this agenda then it means they are lying about the severity and are thus manipulating people.
I think its not a matter of either grief or depression. There is also something called 'complicated grief' which has been recognised for some time.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/...ated-grief
I think the article in the OP is very misleading and what they are trying to do is rename complicated grief and putting it into the DSM-V.
Please note that in my link they do not recommend antidepressants as a treatment for complicated grief.
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
Heterodox, I remember being told I would not recieve a stimulant like some people get for depression (antidepressants weren't working on me) because my depression was "complicated"...
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| 01-30-2012 02:14 AM |
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RE: Grieving to be labelled mental illness
It doesn't matter whether the figure is 1%, or 60%, or 15%. If people are suffering and they need help, then they need to be appropriately treated. Not ignored because of some dogma that it is natural and therefore should be left alone.
If they are suffering depression because of grief, why treat the depression rather than the underlying cause?
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