True,

she is a beautiful little girl.  I am confused by the "Story" I read the blog, I saw a bunch of "news" stories (fox etc., ) reporting is so poorly done.  They are making the doctors the bad guys - I think it is possible that the real bad guy is the insurance company.  There are stipualtions as to whether or not an insurance company will pay for a transplant based on a checlist.  The checklist looks a lot like that "list" noted in the blog, Hep C, HIV - -the shocking part is that Mental impairment is on that list.  (I should not be shocked, yet I am).

Anyway, who knows - I think it all comes down to money (aka resources)... the hospital has to follow guidelines if it wants money.

similar (I theororize here) to how public schools only get federal funding if they follow certain guidelines...

there is no mention of money and I think that is the elephant in the room - transplants cost hundreds of thousands of dollars...

I think the girl deserves to have one - what about all those "Right to lifers" that say they want respect and dignity from conception to the grave?  I do not know why some of these same people are against the right to have health care coverage...

sorry if anyone thinks this is a tangent.

(Not going to debate any of this)

Yes new pioneering treatments of adult to children kidney tranplants are done now and have been done - I note that the word pioneering is still attached to the procedure..  in the insurance industry "pioneering" used to mean it was not paid for yet by most insurance companies....

By the way, I have multiple relatives who had wonderful care at CHOP (I also looked into it for my one son).

Well, the issue is sorted then from an availability standpoint, if it's possible to transplant organs from adults to children. Are you sure about the price tag, though? It would seem excessive, for a routine procedure...

If money was an issue it would have already been brought up in the source. Why say excessive? Does a girl's life have a price on its head?

If the donor has to be another child, then the only realistic source of kidneys is dead children, like I said before - of which, thankfully, there are very few. It is exceedingly likely that there are more children in need of a transplant than there are transplants available, then. It's not that speculative.

Ahem - http://www.chop.edu/service/kidney-trans...-unos.html and http://www.unos.org/. The second link is particularly informative.

Of course I don't know how many children at CHOP need a transplant. Neither do you, Gedrene.

Probably wrong on the $ for a kidney transplant- my sil had a heart transplant... I will look it up... I was thinking add the word pediatric and double the costs...

(just recalling 15 years ago having natural childbirth not even an aspirin "Cost" 13,000 dollars...)

no info out there... 1997: cut and pasted :

• The cost of kidney dialysis averages about $44,000 per year per patient (Univ of Maryland, 1993 data)
• Kidney transplant procedure costs can range widely but most average from $25,000 to $150,000 (Emory)
• $38,000 for a kidney transplant (Health Care Technology)
• Random posts throughout the web ($50,000)

I think I should go to the driver licence office to get the form for organ donation.  I was reading about some woman who has been waiting 8 years for a kidney transplant.  I do not care if I am dead for organ donation.  I am just afraid that some hospital might kill me for my organs or if I was travelling somewhere they got that information and killed me for my organs.  My dogtags have drug allergies and blood type on them though so that might be enough information to kill me.

I have nice happy kidneys (not a drinker at all) I am an organ donor - BUT I tend to think "they" keep you alive LONGER as a donor- they "keep" you "alive" so it can be a living to living donor for kidney... (works better).

So, in case they thought I was brain dead, I'd have a chance to wake up. eeK!

I have already shown you the part of the source where it says there was no reason the doctors gave for refusing treatment other than the child is mentally disabled.
Windy has already said that children can receive adult kidneys and the use of the term 'poineering' for the treatment was for all intents and purposes a euphemism by insurance companies
Availability is then of course not a problem because the parents said they or a relative from a large family can donate.

This post was last modified: 01-23-2012 04:16 PM by Gedrene.

Oh, I give up arguing with you Gedrene, because you're so stuck in your false beliefs that there's no point.

I have just politely reminded you that you have ignored a quote that I provided. So your complaint is hypocritical. If you don't get your way you seem to either change the argument you make or throw insults around.

But you never admit being wrong.

You accuse me of false beliefs? Earlier you were claiming that in the source the hospital said there were not enough kidneys. It never did any such thing. Earlier you were justifying a mentally retarded girl's death on the false belief that the Hospital needed to make a choice when it was simply being eugenicist and disallowing treatment. How heartless that you accuse me of false belief!

This post was last modified: 01-23-2012 04:39 PM by Gedrene.

I can imagine a mother in anger telling her child "If you don't get good grades, that means you didn't deserve that transplant."

Ana54

I can imagine a mother in anger telling her child "If you don't get good grades, that means you didn't deserve that transplant."


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thats a scary thought

This post was last modified: 01-23-2012 05:42 PM by bookmaniac.

Gedrene, I await evidence that the hospital is motivated by eugenics. I saw no such motivation in the article. Your hypothetical eugenics program doesn't exist.

Please, if you're going to quote me, do quote my full post. A text without a context is a pretext for a proof text. :p
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If someone is the recipient of a transplant, they've got a moral duty to, at the very least, not mess up their body and need another one

Quit using hyperbole to trap me. I said that deciding that a child doesn't deserve a kidney transplant because they are mentally retarded IS eugenics

Claiming I said anything about some eugenics programme is just a selfish attempt to corner me.

This coming from a man who refuses to back up any of his accusations with quotes at all.
Maybe you don't understand what a quote is: It's a quote, not a whole source. You have been distorting what I say all day. The above part is evidence of that.

This post was last modified: 01-23-2012 06:40 PM by Gedrene.