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RE: Should the non-wealthy have children?

I agree with most of what 142857 says, but as for a middle ground between Limbaugh and Stalinism I am across the spectrum from both of them.  A middle ground between corporatism and Stalinism is not exactly my area.  

Also, getting the poor off of welfare has had tremendously devastating impacts on the job market.  Wages declined (along with outsourcing) and competition for scarce jobs increased.  Working Americans were better off with the poor on assistance.  That was not an ideal economy for a number of reasons, as pointed out by Francis Fox Piven, but at least there was some support at the bottom. The more ideal way to have gone would have been to revitalize labor activism.  Sadly, however, the shift to the right, along with the consolidation of power at the top, has made that all but impossible.

In any case, I basically take the side of 142857 in this context so I won't be too adamant in arguing with him on side points.  (Is that meant as a decimal value for 1/7?) I agree with him.  "Class warfare" exists in society, and was declared by the top long ago.  Why are politicians not supposed to mention it?

142857 Wrote:

Kapkao Wrote:
"Eat the rich" is a catalyst for has been termed by Leon Trotsky a "Betrayed Revolution", where unscrupulous autocrats are put in charge and kill anyone that poses a threat to their new found authority.

Sure, you can "redistribute the wealth" even in the 21st century, but what if you are thought of with envy and resentment by less-privileged individuals? Is there any reason why your wealth and/or possessions shouldn't be redistributed?

Golden rule of ethics here, folks; only do to others what you would have them do to you.


But there has already been a "redistribution" of wealth over the past couple of decades. It just hasn't been "redistributed" from the top down, it has been "redistributed" from the bottom up.

You can spread resources more evenly without taking assets from the rich and giving them to the poor. Spending money hand over fist while clinging to some low-taxing ideology is rather silly - a balance needs to be found between collecting taxes from those who can afford to pay, and keeping an incentive in place for people to work harder, study harder, and earn more money. Social reforms to get the underclass off social welfare and into the workforce, not simply cutting welfare to the poor in some misguided attempt to force them to take jobs that don't exist (not for them, anyway).

There is a middle ground between the sort of economics that FOX News or Rush Limbaugh promote, and Stalinism. Believe it or not. And it might actually make most people better off!


Please visit my call for a memorial to the victims of eugenics:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23907

and also my call for an alternative to Autism Speaks:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23955

And, if you have time, also my science fiction story about Sasquatch and his struggle to remain free.  It combines "monster fiction" with philosophy and questions about how humans came to be:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...#pid477606
02-20-2012 08:21 PM
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RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 07-27-2011, 04:49 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 07-27-2011, 04:50 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 07-27-2011, 06:16 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 07-28-2011, 05:10 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 10-22-2011, 10:37 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - LadiKapitan - 02-07-2012, 11:34 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - LadiKapitan - 02-08-2012, 12:11 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - LadiKapitan - 02-08-2012, 12:16 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 09:37 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 12:43 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 12:47 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 12:45 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 09:59 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 12:24 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 02:28 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 05:27 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-10-2012, 11:20 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-11-2012, 03:12 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-11-2012, 03:44 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-11-2012, 03:51 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-11-2012, 05:24 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-11-2012, 09:58 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-14-2012, 02:52 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-14-2012, 02:56 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-14-2012, 03:01 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-14-2012, 07:18 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-14-2012, 06:40 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 09:30 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 02:01 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 02:40 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 02:56 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 06:47 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 02:04 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 02:07 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 09:02 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 03:53 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-15-2012, 09:04 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-16-2012, 12:08 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-16-2012, 01:16 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-16-2012, 01:25 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-16-2012, 01:28 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-16-2012, 01:18 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-16-2012, 04:03 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 01:04 AM
RE: Read your history books first, numbnuts - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 01:01 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 01:05 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 02:03 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 02:26 AM
RE: Apologies - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 02:52 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 02:05 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-19-2012, 02:53 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-19-2012, 04:26 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-19-2012, 04:19 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-19-2012, 05:15 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 04:00 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 04:44 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 04:56 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 05:18 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 05:21 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 07:06 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 12:20 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 11:40 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-17-2012, 12:30 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-18-2012, 03:57 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-18-2012, 06:43 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Nasa Shill - 02-20-2012 08:21 PM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-19-2012, 05:00 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-19-2012, 08:51 AM
RE: Should the non-wealthy have children? - Kapkao - 02-19-2012, 11:13 AM

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