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Aspie murder/suicide - was it preventable by the community?
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MishLuvsHer2Boys
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People would not ask the isp for information, they would contact the isp and inform them of the situation and ask if the police or relatives could be notified. An isp would not give out any information to a random person who contacted them.
They'd need likely a warrant to obtain such information, there is very little that even the ISP can tell about a person. Unfortunately the worst place to post suicide/death threats is on the net because it allows too much potential for lies, anonymity and such. Very little can be done when that young man seemed set on what he was going to do despite people giving him good advice to get help. He was bent on destroying himself and others and accomplished that and often unless a person wants help truly, they'll keep destroying themselves.
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| 11-01-2005 05:15 PM |
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Want to know why he was not taken seriously by some? He was making demands for free money, posting up paypal to try to get people to give him money and such and saying he'd post the threat to other websites as well. His first posts were more 'trollish' like than anything and for those that are cynical about things online, we act as such to protect the community. He was given many references to where to get help, he chose not to take it.
I never saw any posts where he was demanding free money, maybe they were deleted or in the "Members Only" section
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| 11-01-2005 05:20 PM |
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One of his demands in his original 'Suicide Threat' post on WP was 'free money', 'help with getting meds', etc. It was at the top of the first page where he also threatened to post it to other forums as well like he was trying to blackmail and there was supposedly another thread where he was asking people to paypal him money. All those threads likely have been moved to the global moderator's forum by now.
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| 11-01-2005 05:24 PM |
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They sure do thanks to Ante (AntiEverything) who copied them all and sent them to the media before discussing with the moderators the best plan of action and now WrongPlanet has made one of the latest articles about the case. What Ante did was a breech of privacy of the community which I don't agree with and now the community will face people lurking reading things and getting false impressions of Aspies.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-...-headlines
That article was largely based on interviews with the owners of the site, only willfreund's quotes were taken from the forum AFAIK.

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| 11-01-2005 05:28 PM |
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All those threads likely have been moved to the global moderator's forum by now.
Probably explains why I couldn't find them then
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| 11-01-2005 05:31 PM |
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They sure do thanks to Ante (AntiEverything) who copied them all and sent them to the media before discussing with the moderators the best plan of action and now WrongPlanet has made one of the latest articles about the case. What Ante did was a breech of privacy of the community which I don't agree with and now the community will face people lurking reading things and getting false impressions of Aspies.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-...-headlines
That article was largely based on interviews with the owners of the site, only willfreund's quotes were taken from the forum AFAIK.
Well Wrongplanet had to make a statement after Ante (AntiEverything) copied all the posts and sent them to the media without consulting with the site admin and all. Who says now they won't go signing up for the forum lurking for any other nonsense they can find to try to link to the whole situation... they could surely make an easy unfortunately link to us being sexual deviants if they had access to the mature asperger's forum. Ugh... it's the point that privacy of the people on the forum was breeched by a user without consulting the site admin who should have been the one to handle things prior to that.
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| 11-01-2005 05:34 PM |
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I have contacted CAN on a long shot that they might consider funding or partly funding a crisis line.
We could also try NAS and other large groups that get many donations.
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| 11-01-2005 05:35 PM |
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I have contacted CAN on a long shot that they might consider funding or partly funding a crisis line.
We could also try NAS and other large groups that get many donations.
I agree but it doesn't mean it'll stop these people from making suicide threats on the net and not really wanting help but seeking attention... there will always be some that are like that.
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| 11-01-2005 05:37 PM |
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At least if people could be directed to a professional service that has a good chance of understanding them, and giving guidance on services, it will take the emotional pressure off members of a forum, chatroom, and if someone is serious they could contact the helpline.
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| 11-01-2005 05:43 PM |
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At least if people could be directed to a professional service that has a good chance of understanding them, and giving guidance on services, it will take the emotional pressure off members of a forum, chatroom, and if someone is serious they could contact the helpline.
One would hope... but for those that seek attention, that wouldn't solve the matter.
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| 11-01-2005 06:11 PM |
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At least if people could be directed to a professional service that has a good chance of understanding them, and giving guidance on services, it will take the emotional pressure off members of a forum, chatroom, and if someone is serious they could contact the helpline.
One would hope... but for those that seek attention, that wouldn't solve the matter. 
Doesn’t someone have to seek attention to ask for help? He went the wrong way about it on WP but he was not in his right mind. Edit: I do not think people use threats of suicide to seek attention unless they want some sort of help.
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I do not know about other ISP's but BT just has methods of complaining about abuse. I think there should be something separate to report people that you think to be at risk.
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| 11-01-2005 10:49 PM |
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All isps have a contact email to report problems, including abuse, whether they take action unless they feel it is really serious is another matter.
If proof could be shown, like logs, vandalism, posts, emails, it would have more validity.
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| 11-01-2005 11:03 PM |
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I have contacted BT asking for a seperate "contact us" section to report at risk internet users. It is just one ISP but it would be interesting to see what they say.
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| 11-01-2005 11:22 PM |
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Perhaps AFF could set up a help forum for anyone who feels they are on the edge, or about to do something drastic. Anyone who posted there could have our support, and we could refer them to other places as well. It would have to be a rule that all members who posted on that forum took other member's comments seriously and refrained from making inappropriate comments that might be alright on the other forums eg. Stop trolling the board, etc.
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| 11-02-2005 01:20 AM |
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MishLuvsHer2Boys
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Doesn’t someone have to seek attention to ask for help? He went the wrong way about it on WP but he was not in his right mind. Edit: I do not think people use threats of suicide to seek attention unless they want some sort of help.
Unfortunately I've ran across a few that did that just to get center of attention and thought it was a joke to do it. People can be rather stupid at times.
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| 11-02-2005 01:41 AM |
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