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VulcanTourist i think we should create country first, right? Open and democratic ,as i already said. Final goal of it existing is - creating our own aspie nation. Not killing jews or NT people,not global domination,etc.

What exactly IS your goal?  It's becoming apparent that it's not what you've been saying it is.  There are already "open and democratic" nations... why do you ignore those existing institutions and insist on creating yet another one of your design?  "Final goal of... our own aspie nation"?  WHY?  FOR WHAT PURPOSE, if ethics and democracy already exist?  Don't like where you live now, because it's not one of the existing democracies?  Well then, get your doggone passport and MOVE!

Don't try to solve your personal malcontent by demanding an entire new country where you get to decide who your countrymen are.

As far as it being just a thought experiment, as 142857 suggested, I've already demonstrated the experiment would be a complete failure, with no possible good (ethical) outcome.  Time to move on to some useful thought experiment, like how to eliminate tribalism in human society and politics.



Well said; this whole idea reeks of a nationalist separatism that I've always despised.


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05-10-2011 07:27 AM
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Well said; this whole idea reeks....

Indeed... my neighbors next door were complaining of the smell and I had to turn off my router for a bit and rinse it out.

05-10-2011 08:28 AM
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Hazards and conflictions cannot be avoided in any countries;

If we had our own country, it would be merely yet another imagined community;

Even if each of us as individual were escape from NT soceities , Aspergian as a whole would still
have to manage relationships between itself and NT nations;

Having a country or an alien colony doesn't necessarily mean to have a haven, since its inflexiblenesses will eventually lead itself to doom.
The best choice would be to construct a Death Star-like planetary-shape immense space station, and in the space station we can start to build a brave new world.


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05-11-2011 11:24 AM
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What if we Aspies had our own Country?  XD


I would not want this.

05-12-2011 04:18 AM
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It seems most of us don't want this, but that probably won't stop the evangelists who know what's best for all Aspies.

05-12-2011 04:42 AM
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Since the thread is still open and i am not banned:

VulcanTourist Wrote:
Don't like where you live now, because it's not one of the existing democracies?  Well then, get your doggone passport and MOVE!


It is so easy? I only need a passport? Will try ,will tryBig Grin

(ABSOLUTE OFFTOPIC - in my country man can not move outside the border, until he will serve in the army. If you are officially diagnosed with asperger syndrome, you are free from serving ,BUT there is a law that you STILL must PROVE ,that you are not fake it. By proving, i mean ,that you must stay in the government psych hospital for 21 day ,where you will be treated very ,very well. I know aspie people who became completely invalid after such "treatment". And i am not talking about visas and etc )

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I was wrong ,when i said that only aspie people should live in such country.

I was wrong ,when i said that NT children of aspie people should be parented.

If it is not against the rules, i will quote statement of another aspie from denmark on different forum

"there are momentarily 6,775,235,700 people living on this planet.

http://www.google.com/search?&q=world+population

the estimated prevalence of aspies alone stands somewhere around 0.3%.

but the prevalence of ASD spectrum as a whole is currently estimated at 1%... meaning there are 67,752,357 aliens like us living on this planet... meaning more people than live in the entire UK... or in france..."
by aspi-rant

Why cant such big number of people at least have a choice where to live ? Not in every country aspie people can live in peace. For example in my country if people will know that you have ANY kind of psych problem and you visit psychiatrist you will be fired from your job ,you will loose ability to have a driving license,your friends and even relatives will turn against you and etc.(Yes ,its true and i am not kidding)

Risk of loosing everything forces aspies of my and several other countries to live in secret world without telling you wife, or parents ,or friends like criminals or spies; without proper medical treatment ,without ability to have official places to "hang out with your own people", without anything.

Yes i v made mistakes when i wrote that statement. Main was i thought that aspies  around the globe live in same condition as we do. I was wrong. Thanks for explaining me that, anywayWink

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What country are you in? I'm going to guess somewhere in eastern europe, perhaps.


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It was exactly the same in the United States not so very long ago.  Things can change, but entropy is a constant threat.

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Hi all,

I find the modern history of Israel to be rather interesting; it established itself as a country - a 1st world one no less - very very rapidly, in a land were there were few Jews living prior to the turn of the century. If Wikipedia is to be believed, the Kibbutzim played a significant role in the establishment of the State of Israel, and I believe a variant on the concept can allow us to emulate their success. Clustering together in such a way will maximize the time people are able to spend on their own interests, as certain tasks can be performed by those who specialize in such. Also, this allows us to trial the idea on a smaller scale prior to implementation.

By idea, as it were, is to have them based around, almost, my concept for an Aspie Academy. Perhaps, quoting from my other posts on other sites is the easiest way to describe the concept.

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There's been a concept in my mind for quite some time now, which grew out of the question, "what would an education system for aspies look like?" My idea was that it would be a well stocked residential school - internet access in each, single, ensuite, dorm; dim soft lighting and dull colours for the sensory aspects, with a farm, library, dojo, workshop etc in the building(s). There would be kitchen facilities available for those wishing to make their own food, however there would be a canteen providing food (from the farm, worked by those interested in farming), cooked by those who's interest is in cooking. Independent learning, with tutoring available (very useful, if you just can't understand something), and in the case of the more practical subjects (farming, cooking, engineering etc), supervision to avoid deadly mistakes.

Then it occured to me that such an academy might be able to self-fund, by offering services - for example, it might have someone who is very, very good at fixing washing machines, by virtue of thst being where their interest lies. They might be unable to spin it into a career, due to the social aspects (note to self: possible business venture, acting as a gobetween for autistics and skimming a commision). The Academy would act as a gobetween for them, which would allow for extra money in the coffer.

People would remain in the halls until either (a) they get married or (b) they choose to move out. There would be a small village (initially; Rome was, as they say, never built in a day, even if Israel was) around the Academy, for those who don't/can't stay in halls any longer, but wish to remain within the small nation. Over time, this would expand into, hopefully, a fully-fledged city-state.

So, the academy, a farm around it, and cottages.

Here's another post of mine:

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Maybe we could get funding to make somekind of Aspie Academy? Thing of it as an education system developed especially for people with autism, as I've been discussing on another thread. Maybe mix in a bit of the Camphill movement ideas. Once we have that, we can progressively enlarge it, until it becomes somekind of university/village hybrid - there's a case to be made for including farming space and forest gardens from the very beginning, given that we may get some people who want to do farming, and the therapeutic nature of forest gardens.


This, or at any rate the thoughts I had when writing, to my mind sounds like a Kibbutz for Aspies (I'm using Aspie as a shorthand for all autistics who are high enough functioning to join such a project; it's a much more used term than Autie). I was thinking, at the age of 8-14 - really, whatever point they're ready; I was thinking 12 as a general rule - children would go to board at the academy (obviously their parents would be within easy reach, being no more than a couple of miles away in the grounds of the Kibbutz). There, they'd be educated in whatever subject is their interest, probably teaching themselves much it. There would be a farm, as I've said, and cottages in the grounds - personally, I'd have it so married couples go to live in the cottages, with those who are unmarried living in the main buildings, although variations can be expected to suit the particular settlers. The source of profit would be the immense pool of talent one can expect to find - the Kibbutz would act as a negotiator, as it were. Say, for example, someone's special interest is washing machines, and as a result they can fix any washing machine you put before them. If people need theirs fixing, then, they can just come and pay up; the person doing the fixing gets a percentage, the Kibbutz takes the rest. Perhaps that was a bad example; maybe a more likely scenario is that of an Aspie who's interest is in fashion, who makes clothes to sell. But the source of revenue is clear.


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I don't think the State of Israel is a particularly good model.


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*Darth Vader theme plays*

I honestly don't think that the idea would work, we need NTs in society, a scoiety with NTs or one without Aspies would just not work.



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I don't think the State of Israel is a particularly good model.

Why? You mean land issues, which wouldn't be such a problem if we bought all the land, or something else?


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We even dont need to build anything for the first time actually. There is a lot of very good property in USA or Europe like closed cold war shelters,camps or missile launch facilities. These property belongs to the government but doesnt make absolutely any profit to it . Most of it is abandoned ,looted by marauders and uses as drug brothels or in another criminal acts so it causes only troubles. We can rent it instead.
Why it would be good for us?
1-it would be not very hard to repair and fix all infrastructure and living systems cause military equipment is much more reliable then civil one
2-these structures are big so a lot of aspies can live in one
3-most of these objects are located in remote places like forests or mountains so it would be no annoying neighbors
4-it would be much more easy to survive in future cataclysm IF there will be one;-)
5-rent will be cheap

P.S. of course we should look only on places with natural radioactivity level

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Haha, we could do quite well with our own micronation, no need to secede: the organisation that owns the property has the right to evict anyone breaking the rules, and with our own currency, the government are powerless to tax us. Make it sizeable enough to have farms and natural resource extraction, go for autarky...


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