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Aeolienne Wrote:
But who wants to learn Japanese? Count me out.


I meant idea of country actually ,I dont want to live there either especially with all there problems with radiation they have right now.


The majority of Japan is not affected by radiation; you make it sound as if the entire country is awash in fallout.

This entire topic is a fantasy, regardless.  A nation populated only by diagnosed autistic individuals would be no more cohesive than any other, and no more ethical.  Ethics are LEARNED and VOLUNTARY, which is why there is such a huge variance in ethical behavior in general.  Ethics derive entirely from "nurture", not from "nature".  A country of Aspies would be just as fractured and imperfect as any nation full of neurotypicals.

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 A country of Aspies would be just as fractured and imperfect as any nation full of neurotypicals.


Of course it will not and actually cant be some kind of paradise or dreamland. The idea is to make country where aspie people will be not tortured or "cured" and instead of that will be taught science, trained martial arts and etc.

05-09-2011 10:49 PM
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Why martial arts?


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Of course it will not and actually cant be some kind of paradise or dreamland. The idea is to make country where aspie people will be not tortured or "cured" and instead of that will be taught science, trained martial arts and etc.

Since I already identified that ethics is learned - and you didn't dispute it - what makes you still think that a nation of nothing but Aspies is necessary to establish sufficient ethics to prevent the discrimination you fear?  Since ethics are learned, essentially ANYONE, autistic or neurotypical, can be more or less ethical.

You make the grievous mistake of assuming that ANYONE from the autistic spectrum is automatically by nature more ethical than those who are not.  That is very short-sighted, and demonstrably untrue.

A final example of short-sightedness: what about the consequences of reproduction in this all-Aspie nation?  Do you not recognize that not all of the progeny will themselves actually be autistic, and that many or most will actually be what could only be described as neurotypical?  What of these b4st4rd progeny?  Are they to be exiled or culled because they don't fit the national prescription?  This leads to one of two outcomes: (a) either this Aspie nation is quickly overrun by neurotypical descendants in several generations, or (b) it atrophies and dies from self-imposed attrition.

Such a thing thus cannot exist, and should never be allowed to exist.  I'm putting a bullet in the head of this three-legged horse right now.

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Why martial arts?

DenRF figures that a nation of Chick Norrises can better defend itself against hostile NT takeovers. Rolleyes

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This thinking has MUCH in common with Hitler's distorted notion of a Master Race, and is just as flawed.  Anyone seriously endorsing this should be watched closely for other dangerous behaviors.

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Aeolienne Wrote:
But who wants to learn Japanese? Count me out.


My son does. Smile


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VulcanTourist i think we should create country first, right? Open and democratic ,as i already said. Final goal of it existing is - creating our own aspie nation. Not killing jews or NT people,not global domination,etc.
  
And about martial arts- they really help to live in this world. I mean baseball is good game too, but boxing or restling is more useful.

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DenRF Wrote:

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But who wants to learn Japanese? Count me out.


I meant idea of country actually ,I dont want to live there either especially with all there problems with radiation they have right now.


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i'll say this again

I WONT LIFE IN AN ASPIE GHETTO, WHO THE *** WOULD LIVE IN AN ASPIE COUNTRY, HOW THE *** HAS THIS GOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NERUODIVERCE CULTRE OF AFF, ITS A STUPID IDEA. STUPID!




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thankyouSmile




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Crikey, is this really any more than a thought experiment anyway, and aren't some of us taking it a bit too seriously?

I think it is interesting to think about how a country controlled and inhabited solely by aspies would work. Actually having such a country is, of course, never going to happen. And I'd be dead against it anyway.

But why not let people run with the idea?

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VulcanTourist Wrote:
This thinking has MUCH in common with Hitler's distorted notion of a Master Race, and is just as flawed.  Anyone seriously endorsing this should be watched closely for other dangerous behaviors.


*** Godwin's Law ***

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VulcanTourist i think we should create country first, right? Open and democratic ,as i already said. Final goal of it existing is - creating our own aspie nation. Not killing jews or NT people,not global domination,etc.

What exactly IS your goal?  It's becoming apparent that it's not what you've been saying it is.  There are already "open and democratic" nations... why do you ignore those existing institutions and insist on creating yet another one of your design?  "Final goal of... our own aspie nation"?  WHY?  FOR WHAT PURPOSE, if ethics and democracy already exist?  Don't like where you live now, because it's not one of the existing democracies?  Well then, get your doggone passport and MOVE!

Don't try to solve your personal malcontent by demanding an entire new country where you get to decide who your countrymen are.

As far as it being just a thought experiment, as 142857 suggested, I've already demonstrated the experiment would be a complete failure, with no possible good (ethical) outcome.  Time to move on to some useful thought experiment, like how to eliminate tribalism in human society and politics.

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hop1pop Wrote:
LOL, no no no Im thinking that there would be VIRTUALLY no NTs, like a perfect country for aspies! Big Grin


What about NT children we have? My aspie uncle has an NT son.

Also, no un-owned land (if there was, the libertarians would have 'homesteaded' it already). We can see from Israel that a zionistic movement to claim an already-inhabited land does not end well.


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Why martial arts?


Indeed. What was the last military conflict decided by superior martial arts? The Chinese lost the Boxer Rebellion, after all.


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