They want you to believe it is. Like they want you to believe that it is always the women choice.

It's not.

In every single case? You honestly believe that it's never possible for a woman to choose?
You know, if I was female i'd wear the burqa myself specifically just to protest against idiocy like this.

Women aren't forced to wear burqas but if they are part of a culture that ostracises them for not wearing burqas, what do you call that? They won't step out of line. You can't force human rights on people; beyond a point they have to step up and take them, usually costing the first brave ones their lives.

This post was last modified: 10-27-2010 11:51 PM by Roxie.

you cant force womens rights upon males, who are quite content leaving women subservient

The vast majority of Muslim women in my country do not wear the burqa, and not all wear the headscarf either, although that is much more common.

A Scottish Muslim woman recently told me that she choses to wear the head scarf and that her sister has now chosen to cover her face when in public.  That is a choice her sister has freely made as an expression of her faith and cultural background.  The wearing of the head scarf, face covering and the full burqa can be a chosen political statement, in those countries where women can choose.

There are countries where women are undoubtedly forced to wear the burqa, Afghanistan springs to mind, and if they refuse their lives are made extremely difficult, dangerous or even taken from them.  There are some Muslim women in this country whose life choices are severely restricted, but that is usually down to the cultural background and norms within that particular family or group.

It's not the simple issue that it's being made out to be on this thread, and none us have any direct experience or knowledge of the freedom or otherwise of the women who do wear the burqa.

I said the want you to believe it's ALWAYS the women choice.

It's the same thing jehovah witness did in bulgary whe the gouvernment wanted to pass a law saying they were a cult and not a religion because they force people to reject blood transfusion. They said we dont force people to refuse anymore. They said that people who would be doing it would not be disfellowship anymore. In fact, they kept disfellowshipping them, saying if someone accept blood, they remove themself from the herd. It's not us that remove them. In french we have a expression for that. I'ts blanc bonnet-bonnet blanc. Closest you guys have in english is patatoes, potatoes.

The Burqua situation is exactly the same. They say women have a right to choose, but if they dont make the right choice, they will be punished in most case.


Read carefully before calling someone argument an idiocy

This post was last modified: 10-28-2010 12:25 AM by Vampslord.

So, to what does "they want you to believe it is" refer?

It refers to this that aspiegrrl said

Then i followed up with

This post was last modified: 10-28-2010 07:10 AM by Vampslord.

grr bad click.. erase this.

This post was last modified: 10-28-2010 07:13 AM by Vampslord.

I agree that they should be allowed to wear them. I don't think it's very likely that it is a fashion statement, but it is their right to dress how they want. It is legal here in the U.S., and I don't think that is going to change. But I am getting the impression that our Muslim population is a much smaller ratio than European countries. If that were to change, then I wouldn't be surprised if someone would try to pass a law against the Burqa.

I am wondering if anybody at all on here personally knows a woman who wears the Burqa? And when I work next time with one of my Muslim friends, especially the one I have know longest, who is an ER Physician, I am going to ask him how he feels about the Burqa. He is very involved in the local Muslim community. He just started a program where he acting as a Liason between the Muslim community, and Law Enforcement (He is the physician for our local SWAT team, and is going to go through a Police Academy soon. He be one the few people who are an M.D. and a Police officer). I'll let you know what he said.

If this remark is directed at me, you are incorrect. I don't think they should go back to where they came from. But I do find it strange that they expect their new country to conform to their culture, instead of the other way around.  And I also think that those of you who live in Europe, are having a completely different experience than those of us who live in the US. I know there are some areas here with high Muslim concentrations, but there are not many of them. I know of one person that I believe is probably from Pakistan. ONE. So you see, it's sort of a non-issue here at the moment.

This post was last modified: 10-28-2010 02:09 PM by wendyl.

I used to know one who ran away from home. She change her name etc because she was scared of being killed by her familly. She use to wear the hijab. Her 2 older brother would walk her to school back and forth just to make sure she would not talk to any boy on the way there. She had it rough. She was glad to be away from home, on not be force to put on the hijab, she could talk freely to man etc.

That's in Quebec. Not Iran

There are regularly 'honour killings' of Muslim women by their fathers and brothers. It's a vile culture.

Yeah.. a little 11-13 yrs old got beat up to death 2-3 week ago in Montreal. She refuse to pray on night.