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Shiroi Tora



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BruceCM Wrote:
Don't care. For 30 years, the point in question was agreed by everybody that expressed an opinion. Before church and there. That is all. Don't know what happened to it.


What do you not are about?  I know societal mores have changed....In the 1960's I thought everyone was so much more friendly...and everyone got along so much more.  There was an air of community and of honor.

There are others who believe as you.  Perhaps you could try another church?  Perhaps something else?


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09-02-2010 01:29 PM
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Do need a church as a Christian. Problem there'd be the claim it's 'timeless truths'. Can't actually change what the Bible does say. It's supposed to still be based on that and only changing methods of communicating that, showing how it is still relevant. Not changing what it does say. And it does cover motives, etc, with the love your neighbour bit. Doesn't seem to be a church around here that agrees that, strangely.

09-02-2010 01:41 PM
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Do need a church as a Christian. Problem there'd be the claim it's 'timeless truths'. Can't actually change what the Bible does say. It's supposed to still be based on that and only changing methods of communicating that, showing how it is still relevant. Not changing what it does say. And it does cover motives, etc, with the love your neighbour bit. Doesn't seem to be a church around here that agrees that, strangely.


As I am not religious...and I have never been to a church...I cannot reply to that with any real knowledge....however...as a generalized statement...where there is hypocrisy...there is no truth...or the real truth is not being adhered to....incorrect path or pathfinder....time to either seek a different path....or a different pathfinder.


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09-02-2010 01:53 PM
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It's funny, any church would be clear on hypocrisy. Until it's this area.

09-02-2010 02:05 PM
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It's funny, any church would be clear on hypocrisy. Until it's this area.


Well, it seems you have a decision to make.  Life is too short to waste time.


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09-02-2010 02:08 PM
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Can't make people see what they either can't or won't see! Whether it is waste of time or not depends whether it does matter. Claims can be made either way, of course.

09-02-2010 02:22 PM
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Can't make people see what they either can't or won't see! Whether it is waste of time or not depends whether it does matter. Claims can be made either way, of course.


So...is there another church you could go to?


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09-02-2010 02:31 PM
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Think we covered that. Probably need a bit of help making these points at them. It's so much more difficult in 'real' life. Seems there's not enough funding for such help around here, though.

09-02-2010 02:35 PM
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Think we covered that. Probably need a bit of help making these points at them. It's so much more difficult in 'real' life. Seems there's not enough funding for such help around here, though.


Well...you said that there didn't seem to be another church in the area that would fit you.....have you tried?


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09-02-2010 02:41 PM
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I asked several, as I said! Don't know which bit of what I've said doesn't make sense. Or isn't conveying anything like enough of what it should.

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I asked several, as I said! Don't know which bit of what I've said doesn't make sense. Or isn't conveying anything like enough of what it should.


I don't see how asking would answer your true question....if the people PRACTICE true faith.  That I would presume would entail going and trying...wouldn't it?


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09-02-2010 02:57 PM
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Why would they say they practiced the opposite of what they do? That'd be lying! If I'm to try anything involving motives, etc, I'll still have to think I do know what mine are. Remembering that's the dispute. I wish one of them would come here to post it themselves. They could accuse you of all sorts, as that's how it's done around here. It may be 'complicating' or 'arrogant' or any number of others.

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Why would they say they practiced the opposite of what they do? That'd be lying! If I'm to try anything involving motives, etc, I'll still have to think I do know what mine are. Remembering that's the dispute. I wish one of them would come here to post it themselves. They could accuse you of all sorts, as that's how it's done around here. It may be 'complicating' or 'arrogant' or any number of others.


Again...you are concentrating on motives...which are so difficult to divine truly.  DO correctly....that is what is important...your pure motives will reveal themselves.  That is all...never mind the mind....DO the correct action....time and again.....correct results....that is what the world is concerned with....and rightfully so...and so should you.


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09-02-2010 03:18 PM
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No, I'm going by WHAT they say about it. No judgement of their motives required. Where did I say anything about judging anybody else's motives, etc? It'd make most of WHAT I was told WRONG, you see. The vital 'difference' between similar actions was some 'way' it was done. Both when praised and criticised. ALWAYS. Beyond academic tests, that'd be. Needs one such person here to tell you about it.

09-02-2010 03:24 PM
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Personal perspective is always that. My values and mores are different to Shiroi Tora. I would not pretend that they would be the same but there is much of what he says which rings very true for me. IF he took a stance I did not agree with I would not doubt me. Regardless of whether I respected him or agreed with a lot of what he says. There is no universal truths.

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