At this point I don't actually care, I could give it away and it wouldn't depricate my marriage. It's not like I'm going to remember I do these days anyway.

Hebrews 13:4
"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral."

In a way it is, because what it says in Hebrews ^ is that "Sex" should be in Marriage not outside of it. For it is Sacred, so even if you did give it away, not only did you do that but you also committed adultery in your heart and mind to your future spouse. (I'm just giving you their point of view you'll hear others later...)

In most religions? Yes

In terms of actual ethics? No, so long as both parties are consenting adults it doesn't matter

The above quote is from the New Testament which I don't follow. The fact they mentioned "the adulterer AND all the sexually immoral" indicates though that they know sex outside of marriage is not adultery, that only is the case if the woman is married or betrothed to someone else.

The blessings we say when we get married are actually related to permitting what was previously forbidden, i.e. sexual relationships. Therefore there is a general opinion that sexual relationships previously was forbidden, however it does not amount to adultery.

It is not a prohibition of the Torah though, i.e. not something for which you would get lashes. It is a far greater sin to eat an ant.

This.

I don't think it's ethically wrong to make like rabbits, do the horizontal tango or play hide the bishop before marriage - provided all participants are legal and consenting adults.

This post was last modified: 07-05-2010 01:55 PM by ῦ.

I reckon it ought to be the other way around – marriage before sex being a sin.

Makes sense to me at least. ;-p

This post was last modified: 07-05-2010 01:51 PM by Ivar T.

my wife and I were virgins when we had sex for the first time (I think  ) and was not sin. And it won't be  if we were not virgins until then ....

Now that's one i've never heard of before!

Can you quote the actual passage that prohibits that? I know there's all kind of odd rules hidden away in the bible (torah == old testament), but "eating ants is a sin"?

depends only on the individuals personal beliefs

Well said. My belief is to save it for marriage. But before then, have your partner get an HIV and STD/STI testing first. That way you know they aren't hiding nothing.

Anyways, most religions in the Christianity certain say to save it for marriage. :S So in my opinion it isn't a sin... You just broke a moral code that is all. :S

And an immature one at that - mutual giving and receiving of pleasure is hardly immoral

People think that is like the worst and nastiest sin is the world...people don't feel the urge to throw spiked bibles at you if, idk, lie, or get a divorce, but thaattt...I dont even think its one because its hoarish or nasty really, probably just some little one. He just prefers a friggin ritual (idkkk the reason). No difference between you and person here doing it afterrr 1.5 years dating, and doing it afterr 1.5 years dating and just after your wedding really... This sounds kinda weird but people think its nasty/hoarish because you get pleasure I think. And pleasure is baaad (sarcasm)

Isn’t the reason why sex before marriage is considered a sin in many cultures, that the man in a marriage would like to have ensured his fatherhood to the children he fosters?

Perhaps this idea is largely deprecated with the arrival of modern prevention, although from what I’ve heard the Catholic church isn’t that fond of that either.

This post was last modified: 07-05-2010 06:12 PM by Ivar T.

I think you mean denominations...

Perhaps it's to ensure that the father cannot run off to save his expenses. When in wedlock, you get him.

About that question: sex and following marriage with the same person or with different persons? I think that would make a difference to me.

Btw: my wife and I got married only 8 years after our son's birth. We might have had sex before that date ...