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By saying stuff like: "what they do is not in the bible/qu'ran/Torah/whatever" while in fact it is.
Do you promote homophobia? No? Why not, it's in the bible.

03-16-2012 03:21 AM
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Who, me?  I don't promote any "phobia."  Fear is the mind killer, quoting Dune.

Vampslord Wrote:
By saying stuff like: "what they do is not in the bible/qu'ran/Torah/whatever" while in fact it is.
Do you promote homophobia? No? Why not, it's in the bible.


Please visit my call for a memorial to the victims of eugenics:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23907

and also my call for an alternative to Autism Speaks:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23955

And, if you have time, also my science fiction story about Sasquatch and his struggle to remain free.  It combines "monster fiction" with philosophy and questions about how humans came to be:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...#pid477606
03-16-2012 09:25 AM
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Vampslord Wrote:
By saying stuff like: "what they do is not in the bible/qu'ran/Torah/whatever" while in fact it is.
Do you promote homophobia? No? Why not, it's in the bible.

Quote the scripture that says I'm to hate homosexuals? Do you not realize Christians are supposed to hate the sin whilst loving the sinner? Before a person becomes a Christian, it makes no sense trying to make them adopt Christian morality! You think homosexuality is supposed to be 'worse' in Christian terms than all other sex outside marriage? Whilst non-believers can't get married, in Christian terms! Surprising ignorance, frankly

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Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

03-16-2012 05:18 PM
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I will comment on the first two.  The Hebrew Bible did indeed limit marriage to heterosexual couples.  A lot of that seemed to have to do with reproduction, and Jewish survival in what has admittedly been a hostile world.  I still maintain that the Sodom narrative was one about contempt for the poor and needy, not about homosexuality as such.  At no point does the Hebrew Bible fixate on sex.  That is more of a Christian west fixation.  (Jesus himself as a Jew did not fixate on that so much)  There is not a lot in the Hebrew Bible about gays or sex, although Talmudic literature does take a very restrictive stance on those subjects.

In the case of Paul, he was operating in a Greco-Roman context.  That meant that he was dealing with a culture that, like modern culture, was split between old fashioned Roman Republican Puritans who abhorred homosexuality as a Greek influence and the new Roman culture that was embracing it (along with other Greek ideas).  My theory is that Paul wanted to align with the culturally conservative values of the Roman Republic in its waning days.  He did not want to identify much as a Jew, nor would he want to embrace Greek ideas, both of which would offend conservative sensibilities.  For Romans of the First Century, Judaism, Christianity, Greek culture, and homosexuality were all "corrupting influences on the young" who were falling for those things in record numbers.  

My opinion, and my opinion merely, is that much of the attempt to make Jesus "God" had to do with fitting in to pagan culture in which Monotheism was considered strange and abhorrent.  By making Jesus "God's Equal" in the tradition of Greek mystery religions, albeit in a conservative sense without other Greek influences, it may be that Paul was hoping to break ground.  But, I am not scholar so I will cease at this point.  The preceding was opinion merely since I have no deep background to say.


Please visit my call for a memorial to the victims of eugenics:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23907

and also my call for an alternative to Autism Speaks:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23955

And, if you have time, also my science fiction story about Sasquatch and his struggle to remain free.  It combines "monster fiction" with philosophy and questions about how humans came to be:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...#pid477606
03-16-2012 07:35 PM
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Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."
Detestable ACT. Exactly. The same penalty for adultery, though.

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Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions

Passions. The mere act of wanting.

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Nasa Shill Wrote:
Why is it that it is liberal, gays and veterans who protest them but not more decent and good folks like yourself who are *within* Christian organizations?

i live in Washington so it take me a lot of money that i don't have to go to the state they live in to go protest them but if i ever so them protesting in Washington i would found them and protest aginest them. and your right Jesus did not focus on that issue a lot. he was more for telling people to serve others. and love others not banning homosexuals. not sure what to make of Paul.


sorry for the bad spelling. "Come as you are and your be loved"-motto of Calvary community church XD
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ivanova-aspie Wrote:

Nasa Shill Wrote:
Why is it that it is liberal, gays and veterans who protest them but not more decent and good folks like yourself who are *within* Christian organizations?

i live in Washington so it take me a lot of money that i don't have to go to the state they live in to go protest them but if i ever so them protesting in Washington i would found them and protest aginest them. and your right Jesus did not focus on that issue a lot. he was more for telling people to serve others. and love others not banning homosexuals. not sure what to make of Paul.


What about the apostle Paul?


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Genesis Wrote:

ivanova-aspie Wrote:

Nasa Shill Wrote:
Why is it that it is liberal, gays and veterans who protest them but not more decent and good folks like yourself who are *within* Christian organizations?

i live in Washington so it take me a lot of money that i don't have to go to the state they live in to go protest them but if i ever so them protesting in Washington i would found them and protest aginest them. and your right Jesus did not focus on that issue a lot. he was more for telling people to serve others. and love others not banning homosexuals. not sure what to make of Paul.


What about the apostle Paul?


I never met him.  Cannot say!


Please visit my call for a memorial to the victims of eugenics:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23907

and also my call for an alternative to Autism Speaks:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...?tid=23955

And, if you have time, also my science fiction story about Sasquatch and his struggle to remain free.  It combines "monster fiction" with philosophy and questions about how humans came to be:

http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...#pid477606
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