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This reference is to the "power" we feel we have when we name things, versus the real power in the Universe, that actually creates things. And to the fact that a diagnosis is not action. Moreover, a diagnosis is an opinion.

From the homepage of this website: "We view autism, not necessarily as a disability, or something that is negative for everyone on the autistic spectrum, but as part of who the individual is."

So "autism" and "Asperger's Syndrome" are symbols. They have no real power or reality. But you, and I, are real. Our bodies and minds exist independantly of any descriptions. If the descriptions disappeared, we would still exist.

Of the two statements "I am" and "I am autistic", which is more powerful?

Naming a thing gives it power, or takes power away from it.

This site declares that "We know that autism is not a disease."

But check out the definitions of "diagnosis". Every single one says basically the same thing - a diagnosis is an identification of the presence of disease.

Now some may argue that "pregnancy" is a diagnosis. I would reply that pregnancy is a condition, a description of a stage of human growth. Medical assistance is in order to make it more comfortable and enhance the probability of a successful outcome, but it is not a disease. And so pregnancy is not a diagnosis, but rather a description.

So accepting a diagnosis, or even a description, using it to describe yourself is like a fashion choice.

And someone once said: “Why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin. And yet I say unto you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.”


Yes, symbols do have real power and authority. Humans both construct meaning and apply symbols or codes to communicate that meaning to each other.  Naming is a powerful act that is often imposed by societal institutions. I believe the autistic civil rights movement aims to reclaim the diagnosis or description of autism so that  society is more inclusive of our issues so that we aren't pathologized and abused based on our difference.

Your argument is not coherent. First you argue that naming gives or takes away power, then you describe it as a fashion choice.

And if that quote is JC talking about Lilies, well at least he was referring to some indigenous plants and not miniature roses shipped from Mexico.

I don't have any more time to spend on this, but I have to say that your understanding of what it is to be autistic is quite limited.  You do seem to be trying to understand, but underneath I detect some anger. Where is that coming from?

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