This was on Liane-Holliday Willey's site:

I really feel uncomfortable about this. Sure, girls with AS who are introduced to cosmetics might gain some self-esteem and be more accepted, but it will be on account of their looks. What sort of values will this teach to girls, who otherwise in all probability would abhor cosmetics, or be completely indifferent to them?

Feminists have been against this type of thinking for ages, knowing that it has been responsible for the persistence of sexism, discrimination and sexual violence in our society. Why then, should it make any sense at all to teach these values to girls, who have no inherent desire to emulate 'feminine' customs, and who are among the most vulnerable to discrimination and being taken advantage of? For this reason, I am urging people to write to Liane Holliday Willey at aspieinformation@yahoo.com and I am going to write too, as soon as I have the time to write a decent letter (a good couple of hours at my writing speed, lol). Liane calls herself an aspie advocate, and is an aspie herself, so there is a good chance that she will consider carefully anything that is written to her. I am sure, as said on the site, that this is not profit-motivated but nevertheless I cannot see how this could possibly do more good than harm. Intentionally or not, it is exploiting parents' fears about their children fitting in, and reinforcing gender stereotypes on aspie girls, who are more likely than their NT counterparts to 'break the mold' and pursue fulfilling lives outside of the traditional women's sphere and embrace the type of thinking it entails. It is yet another form of normalisation, completely unnecessary and potentially harmful.

I think this is essentially an advert she is making for her friend.

I think she is way off her target market though, those type of companies make money from repeat sales, and women buying a new colour lipstick because the fashion has changed.

I still have a lipstick from 1988 that isnt finished yet. :grin:

Well I can't say much, I have rarely ever worn make up period in my life. Just like I rarely ever wear skirts or dresses.

'bout what I expect

an aspie fashionista -LOL

Write MaryKay instead tell them we dont need your stinking NT costumes for social positioning and manipulation.  


She is part of the problem just like stephen shore.

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bleh

For the men



For the ladies



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Oh boy, now I really feel lost! I hate makeup (not recognizing my reflection in the mirror after the Mary Kay ladies get ahold of me is alarming! It's bad enough not always recognizing other people- I do want to recognize myself!!)

But my boyfriend asked me yesterday what I want for my birthday, and my list of possibilities included:

an 8 pound splitting maul
a D-handled digging fork
wheelbarrow

and to be honest, a nice framing hammer would be OK too!  :lol:

This is aspies for freedom. Freedom from having to become like nts, freedom to become like nts. Freedom is a choice. So ok, you, I, and most aspies aren't interested in makeup. But for those who lack the knack but not the interest, it's good that somebody should be able to help.

Definitely agree.

an interest for an aspie is not the same as for an NT so please.

and the notion to be free to become NT is like saying I am free to be something I am not

hey you know thinking about it it is a distortion. You are dead wrong.cos gay freedom has nothing to do with free to be straight. so gays for freedom is freedom to be straight or become straight???

duh

absolutely not.  

is this now anima, farm in 1984 with double speak.
this isnt therapy is it is blatant commercialism.

There is probably an aspie woman somewhere who is obsessed with makeup and has a huge Mary Kay collection.

Thankfully, not me.

But even if I wanted to buy makeup, contributing to a psychology scholarship is definitely not the way to get my business.  The last thing we need is more psychologists studying us like lab rats.

Now, if she were contributing to a scholarship for students who had shown an interest in social justice by writing essays about neurodiversity, I might bite.  (Actually, sponsoring an essay contest might be a good idea for something AFF could do.)

I am not sure if sponsor means something different in the UK. As I know it sponsorship is when a child comes home from school and has a form, and the parent agrees to give 20p per lap of the playground on a bike, for example.
Or a person does a parachute jump for charity and people sign a form to give £5 if they make the jump.

How would a sponsored essay work? Or is it a different meaning?

Amy, I meant that AFF could announce an essay contest with a theme such as neurodiversity or autistic pride, judge the results, give a prize to the winner, and post the essays on the AFF site.

I was using an alternate definition of the word "sponsor" to mean "be responsible for."  The word is also used in the US to mean a person who contributes, though, as you defined it.

I never have thought much of Lianne with her web site full of spelling errors and little substance.

What do you'all think the cosmetician was referring to in this bit?

I wish this had been explained. My only barrier to buying and using cosmetics products is a lack of interest, lack of need (contrary to what you may assume I do not lead a glamorous life) and lack of money. I've got to admit that I've been tempted to buy a camoflauge outfit and matching camo make up at army surplus stores, but that gear really doesn't fit my suburban mum lifestyle.

I can think of only one reason why an aspie female might need special advice about cosmetics. I believe hair-pulling (trichotillomania) is unusually common amongst aspies. This almost harmless little habit can leave one rather deficient in eyelashes or other kinds of hair, and it can be necessary to use make up to cover for this. I figured out all by myself how to deal with this problem many years ago. I'll bet this cosmetician knows nothing at all about this stuff. If anyone wants any advice that I can offer on this matter they can contact me by private message.