bye bye

Oh and just very quickly...
Your analogy doesn't stand up to scrutiny, unless you are suggesting that those with Aspergers are a separate species.

Ok I'm going now lol.

I think we are evolving into a separate sub-species, yes.  One that can still interbreed with the original species, rather like Darwin's finches in the Galapogas Island chain, each species could interbreed with every other except at the extreme ends of the chain.  So I see Homo sapiens and Homo sapiens autist as beginning to diverge in that particular direction.  I'll get back to you in a millenia or so (if we are both still around) and we can compare notes.
Alison

Right... so basically if you're disabled, you're a tragedy and need to be cured. Thanks a bunch, dude, but I want to keep my brain the way it is, and so do people way more disabled than me.

I could be wrong, but I thought in order to be classified as a sub-species there had to be little or no genetic interchange between the populations. Aspies would have to be get aspies, be get aspies, be get aspies for a millennium. It's hard to see how that's going to be possible, short of confining those with Aspergers to a single geographical region. In addition the quirky NT would have to be done away with. That individual who has some Aspergeric traits, but not enough for a diagnosis. A large proportion of the membership of this site is made up of such people. The quirky NT reveals the existence of a gradual tailing off of Aspergers traits into the NT population. This can't exist if Aspies are to be a sub-species.

I haven't used the word tragedy in connection with autism; it's not a tragedy.  Nor do I suggest that all people with a disability need to be cured; this isn't the case. And you are quite welcome to keep your brain the way it is, as is anyone else.
But why would you limit the options for other people? Why would you presume to speak for everyone? Is your neurology completely comparable to theirs? Is your situation the same?

Ok, I really am going now. Last post I promise.

Yes our nerology is very nearly completley comparable to thears. But thears is more 'advanced' than ours, I'd personally guess alot less serotonin, and ALOT more dopaminergic activity ie: They are like the much younger versions of ourselfs, so yes they are comparable to us.

truth is no one knows why we are different except for inherited traits so the only cure is geniside

Thats not a funny joke, Autism speaks might take that seriuosly lol

beget is one word.

Ah, I thought it was...
I used this online word processor to spellcheck my post...
https://writer.zoho.com/home
It convinced me it should be two words. Dam technology!
What about 'for-ever'...should that be 'for ever' or 'forever'. I've seem it written both ways recently and am somewhat confused.
Oh yeah, I'm gone...I forgot.

I use ieSpell, and recommend it for any member that may be "Spelling Challenged."

PLEASE download, install and USE it!!!

Firefox has a built in spell checker.

I'm not entirely sure I understand the point of this post. I'm not saying it doesn't have one, just that I can't necessarily get it.

Heyoka, it might be better if you also posted a motion ... i.e. a single sentence saying what you would prefer instead, and which part of the front page you would want altered, and what to. Otherwise, there has been very little said in the subsequent posts that makes a lot of useful sense to a debate which is not at all clear in its form.

Marcia's post was the one which I could follow most clearly, and micgrace also made a lot of sense, as did Callista.

Buckecdote: ... I was born and put in my mother's arms (poor woman ) and she describes it thus: you looked up at me with your big brown eyes, looked around my face, as if to say 'so that's what it's all about!' And ever since I have been a thinker and a challenger and a changer and an understander.

It is a personal anecdote. It is not necessarily universal. But it seems to me that shows that there is something different which exists and is not developed as a compensatory stratagem for the disabilities.

It would be my understanding that AFF is structured to look for the best and for the abilities in all autists. It exists to demand that space from the rest of the world. But it is not so stupid as to say that those on the 'LFA' end of the spectrum are able to live independent lives, because clearly a lot can't. Aspies are 'fortunate' that we can (largely, though far from entirely). So I'm not sure what is being asked for, or critiqued here.

Personally, I would like a 'cure' that means all autists can have a level of ability which would allow them to live independent lives. But it would be utter madness, just on a wider good-of-society basis to cure us all of all our traits. The abstractions which are useful would be lost ... or would they? Where would you stop? Would you say that anybody who steps more than 5% of the norm (and good luck with defining all of that sh1t!) would be cured? As someone asked (apologies to the person, I can't remember who it was): what would would the slightly eccentric NTs have done to cure them.

It simply is not in the interests of the NTs to push this too hard. They would all come under suspicion of the thought police and behaviour ploice and debate police and the activity police and the sex police and the work police and and and ... and well ... it would become a police state.

Marcia is a minister. One of the very debateable tenets of Christianity is that God has a purpose for everybody. Sometimes this seems very cruel. But in essence it is a good hearted message with a good intent. Help me to be all I can be, as the management consultants would have it, and value me for what I am.

It is not beyond the wit of man to work out where the limits of action and limits of magnitude would be. But believe you me, a cure will be a bad thing if it aims to cure all autists, rather than to make it possible for all autists to lead independent lives. Would we want to cure Einstein?

Heyoka, you need to specify what you want to say, do, or change. You seem to be advocating action, but that needs clear circumscribtion, before we can get into any argument about how it might be formed according to the deisres of a / the whole community.

Cos, I'm tellin ya ... I like me ... I ain't gonna change me ... and if you wanna try forcing a change to me ... you'd better be prepared to lay down your life ... cos I WILL take your life away from you, before I will allow you to take my identity away from me. And I will take your life away from you if you try to take anybody else's identity away from them against their will. No explanations. No apologies. No negotiation. No compromise. ... see ... sometimes black and white thinking is a very good thing, thaaaaaaaankewe

who says that hasnt already been done

Cos, I'm tellin ya ... I like me ... I ain't gonna change me ... and if you wanna try forcing a change to me ... you'd better be prepared to lay down your life ... cos I WILL take your life away from you, before I will allow you to take my identity away from me. And I will take your life away from you if you try to take anybody else's identity away from them against their will. No explanations. No apologies. No negotiation. No compromise. ... see ... sometimes black and white thinking is a very good thing, thaaaaaaaankewe

Just to underline ... I'm not threatening anybody, and least of all Heyoka. This is the royal 'you', the collective, non-personal, and putative, 'you'.