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I underwent a greatly stressing and desperately painful time not too long ago, and it did affect me a lot.

Therefore, if Vaccination isn't immediately preceded by ASD Baby getting lots of relaxation and gradual people content..... POTENTIALLY, it could lead to them getting labeled as recessive. Also, the important thing is to KEEP. THINGS. MATHEMATICALLY. PREDICTABLE. Keep the routine, and make definite that it is predictable. The thing that most ASD parents aren't making the cut on is the Autie observance of detail. If they can't predict, then they will not be definite of accuracy, and this will drive them nuts. If you get into the habit of doing things the exact same way, they will figure out your habits, maybe use them to figure things out, and quite possibly surprise you one day.

Um, that's just my hypothesis. Feedback, please?


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....wut?

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I don't understand either.

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nothinggoespast Wrote:
I don't understand either.


It was originally aimed at an NT. Sorry. Basically, Recessives had too much stress on their heads, which caused them to start forgetting things. They need less stress to recover.

Things that wouldn't stress another person so badly....

Well, It is primarily a nerve thing, right?


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Can you explain what you mean by recessive?  Also, what country are you from, just in ase this is language translation thing.  

Are you putting forth a theory about the effects oon recessive genes from stress in general or vaccinations?

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Can you explain what you mean by recessive?  Also, what country are you from, just in case this is language translation thing.  

Are you putting forth a theory about the effects on recessive genes from stress in general or vaccinations?


That means, they un-learn after vaccination. Vaccination, plus not enough regularity, could be causing regressive autistics to forget what they've learned due to stress. It's slightly similar to my own situation, in an odd sort of way.

It was probably my ADD, leaving stuff out. English is my first language.


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Mentane Ingolme-Yatta no Asuhi Wrote:
It was probably my ADD, leaving stuff out. English is my first language.


I'm American.


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Mentane Ingolme-Yatta no Asuhi Wrote:

atypical Wrote:
Can you explain what you mean by recessive?  Also, what country are you from, just in case this is language translation thing.  

Are you putting forth a theory about the effects on recessive genes from stress in general or vaccinations?


That means, they un-learn after vaccination. Vaccination, plus not enough regularity, could be causing regressive autistics to forget what they've learned due to stress. It's slightly similar to my own situation, in an odd sort of way.

It was probably my ADD, leaving stuff out. English is my first language.



Oh regressive, not recessive then.  Please explain more of what you mean.

Interesting (to me anyway)

I know for a fact that anything my son supposedly learned while he was overtired, he would forget immediately.  We could repeat the days of the week 100 times and then ask 5 minutes later and NOT there.

Short term memory - there was a thread on that a while back - is tricky.  It does seem as if his short term memory is much better than a couple of years back.

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I know for a fact that anything my son supposedly learned while he was overtired, he would forget immediately.  We could repeat the days of the week 100 times and then ask 5 minutes later and NOT there.

Short term memory - there was a thread on that a while back - is tricky.  It does seem as if his short term memory is much better than a couple of years back.

short term memory, what short term memory. I just don't have any. But it doesn't affect everything. Just names, dates, times, where stuff is put. But never the special interest, unless I'm being tested on it, then the knowledge disappears into thin air, to remarkably return later, complete with answers.

School, university and tests, why bother. I learn very well without. Just don't expect me to recite it like a parrot on cue.


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micgrace Wrote:

atypical Wrote:

I know for a fact that anything my son supposedly learned while he was overtired, he would forget immediately.  We could repeat the days of the week 100 times and then ask 5 minutes later and NOT there.

Short term memory - there was a thread on that a while back - is tricky.  It does seem as if his short term memory is much better than a couple of years back.


short term memory, what short term memory. I just don't have any. But it doesn't affect everything. Just names, dates, times, where stuff is put. But never the special interest, unless I'm being tested on it, then the knowledge disappears into thin air, to remarkably return later, complete with answers.

School, university and tests, why bother. I learn very well without. Just don't expect me to recite it like a parrot on cue.


LOL< I said it was better, not good though.  After we all realized that certain information just did not enter and/or stay we figured it was not all that necessary to stress over the little details, like dates, days of the week, what book to bring home... So now he writes things down like what book to bring home.  (Numbers are not his specialty, words are)

(funny thing is some things that seem to have been lost or not learned turn up a year later in long term memory.... you know what I mean?)

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Mentane, what are you talking about when you mention "regularity" are you talking about toxins being kept in the body from not defecating?

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Mentane, what are you talking about when you mention "regularity" are you talking about toxins being kept in the body from not defecating?


Utter regularity. As much as the human being needed in any way possible. All fields. The variation from person to person. ooooooh, Complicated, ne?


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So you meant regressing/regressive not recessive, correct? The effects of a stressed system is regressing from things one had learned.

As far as regularity, yes that would help any child, a routine.

If a parent was so inclined and did not have to go to work, they could create a controlled environment that started with Structure and routine, and add on as the child was able to process (without undue stress). Of course siblings are just one of many variables...

I would tend to agree that random and arbitrary stresses would reak havoc on the connecting of neurons in the brain of a sensitive child.

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atypical Wrote:
So you meant regressing/regressive not recessive, correct? The effects of a stressed system is regressing from things one had learned.

As far as regularity, yes that would help any child, a routine.

If a parent was so inclined and did not have to go to work, they could create a controlled environment that started with Structure and routine, and add on as the child was able to process (without undue stress). Of course siblings are just one of many variables...

I would tend to agree that random and arbitrary stresses would reak havoc on the connecting of neurons in the brain of a sensitive child.


VARIABLES can be learned around. I have, but then my system crashed, not too long ago.


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Mentane Ingolme-Yatta no Asuhi Wrote:
I underwent a greatly stressing and desperately painful time not too long ago, and it did affect me a lot.

Therefore, if Vaccination isn't immediately preceded by ASD Baby getting lots of relaxation and gradual people content..... POTENTIALLY, it could lead to them getting labeled as recessive. Also, the important thing is to KEEP. THINGS. MATHEMATICALLY. PREDICTABLE. Keep the routine, and make definite that it is predictable. The thing that most ASD parents aren't making the cut on is the Autie observance of detail. If they can't predict, then they will not be definite of accuracy, and this will drive them nuts. If you get into the habit of doing things the exact same way, they will figure out your habits, maybe use them to figure things out, and quite possibly surprise you one day.

Um, that's just my hypothesis. Feedback, please?


My translation of the above: What appears like regression to parents is caused by lack of routine/predictability after vaccinations.

I don't think all autistics benefit from routine/predictability, or are even stressed by the absence of routine/predictability. I think the key thing is stress. Enough stress will give the impression of regression. I think even Neurotypicals regress from enough stress in how they act, in how they cope with situations, in what they can deal with, and even what they can remember.

My own theory is that parents are hypersensitive to situations/events like their child(ren) being vaccinated and start to pick up on things they might not have noticed before, because they are more worried about their child(ren) afterwards. They might be worrying about things like "will my child come down with the flu?" because sometimes a live virus gets through. They might be worried about how their child feels, because their child screamed, kicked, etc. and didn't like the look of the needle and the pain the needle caused them.

And in this hypersensitive state parents project there own changes in perception outwards as a change in their child(ren).


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