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Gareth Wrote:
The human brain is just an organic machine, and it's not the only means of doing cognition. You don't need love to think either, the only emotion that could play a serious role in a useful AI would be pleasure for the reward mechanism when training.


one of the best statements on this page. though I think that at least two kinds of emotions would be needed for cognition, a positive and a negative one. (pleasure and pain) but lack of pleasure could suffice.
in reality there will always be four kinds of emotions:

- a positive emotion as result of a positive event (P+)
- a positive emotion as result of the absence of a negative event (P-)
- a negative emotion as result of a negative event (N+)
- a negative emotion as result of the absence of a positive event (N-)

they all feel distinctively different in humans and should do so in a strong ai which is "human-like".
each one of those can have an intensity and "color", where color is an abstact placeholder for the complex associations related to the actual event / situation causing the emotion.

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-every now and again we step out of our own biology-

if that is so, then every now and then a computer program can step out of its own circuitry.

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I suppose so, but every now and again we step out of our own biology, for example we might have have a bf or gf and see someone else who is perfect for us but think 'no, I'm going to be faithfull ' this another example that leads to ' indipendant ' thinking


That still happens due to the processing within the brain, there's nothing "magical" about the mind, it's just a very complex organic machine.




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I wouldn't say it was magical, but special as it is what God has given us, and a computer program cannot step out of its own circetry because it is following set instructions. The only time it can do this is in the split second before it crashes when it wonders what to do

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A computer doesn't "wonder what to do" when it crashes, a crash is just the computer doing precisely what it's been told, but in a manner that we don't like.

As for the brain being special "as it is what god has given us", this is the real source of your objections - religious reasons rather than scientific, therefore there is very little point in responding further.




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Actually scientists are 60 percent that God is real, also I heard about a computer crashing from a scientific program, but i'm wrong about that do forgive me

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All kinds of programs crash, I fail to see your point there....




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There was supose to be an if there., I dont actually think it was reffering to a program, if I remember rightly it was the actual computer crashings itself

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I still fail to see your point - a computer crashed?




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Apparently a split second before a computer crashes, I would imagine the CPU, has to think for itself

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I would imagine you would have to think for yourself a split second before posting whatever goes through your head...

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AHHHRG I AM SO SORRY. I wasn't able to stop myself from being rude. Again. Please shoot me!

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Its ok, I wasnt sure what you meant anyway

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Apparently a split second before a computer crashes, I would imagine the CPU, has to think for itself


No it doesn't, it's still just blindly following orders (code). If the code is buggy and tells the CPU to do something stupid, it'll do something stupid, this sometimes results in crashing.




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Computer crashes, electrons whizzing around going to where they want to go and where you don't want them to go. Theres a nice You Tube video of what happens when one runs a computer without the obligatory heat sink on the CPU, quite spectacular for a brief second. Blue screen and sparks.


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