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Only dills delete dlls. Anyway most servers are poorly protected and the American ones are very poor. There is an attitude there that seems to apply to security, "fix it after someone penetrates it" rather than build it proper in the first place. A few American companies have resorted to various suppliers in OZ to gain security on all sorts of things, especially documents.

Those who get the cheap guys from India for IT systems deserve what they get.


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08-25-2009 11:45 AM
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Only dills delete dlls.

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Anyway most servers are poorly protected and the American ones are very poor. There is an attitude there that seems to apply to security, "fix it after someone penetrates it" rather than build it proper in the first place. A few American companies have resorted to various suppliers in OZ to gain security on all sorts of things, especially documents.


That's why I love the OpenBSD approach so much - they fix even obscure potential security holes such as "if you're using this particular hardware driver and configure it with this particular setting then potentially there might be a possibility of a buffer overflow in certain situations that can be induced by someone with existing low privilege access to the machine" and do regular code audits.

One of the main problems with information security is not revealing all the information and believing in "security through obscurity". It is vastly better to reveal absolutely every detail of your system, and only then after the world has seen all the details can you be confident it's truly secure.




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08-25-2009 11:51 AM
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an NT in his situation would get identical treatment, so his case isn't an autism rights issue.


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I like the guy, to be honest.  I may disagree with what he did, but I like the guy.

Have you seen his youtube video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcOY0kWQaqc

In any case, I do not believe that these things are aliens.  I think that the cover-up is over something more terrestrial.


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08-26-2009 12:45 AM
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Sorry, there is a swear word in the link.  I am sorry about that.  Gareth is free to redact it on that basis.  

It is a good song, but I do not want to endorse bad language.


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08-26-2009 12:48 AM
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Gareth Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:
Only dills delete dlls.

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Anyway most servers are poorly protected and the American ones are very poor. There is an attitude there that seems to apply to security, "fix it after someone penetrates it" rather than build it proper in the first place. A few American companies have resorted to various suppliers in OZ to gain security on all sorts of things, especially documents.


That's why I love the OpenBSD approach so much - they fix even obscure potential security holes such as "if you're using this particular hardware driver and configure it with this particular setting then potentially there might be a possibility of a buffer overflow in certain situations that can be induced by someone with existing low privilege access to the machine" and do regular code audits.

One of the main problems with information security is not revealing all the information and believing in "security through obscurity". It is vastly better to reveal absolutely every detail of your system, and only then after the world has seen all the details can you be confident it's truly secure.


No such thing as "truly secure." If there was, cyber-crime would not exist. No system can be perfectly secure as long as there are Gary McKinnons out there. And the Gary Mckinnons of the world are fiendishly prolific, fiendishly creative, fiendishly elusive... Rolleyes


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Gary McKinnons are fiendishly malicious, not so sure on elusive and creative.




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08-26-2009 02:06 PM
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Agreed.

Can we call off the whole "Free Gary" pity-party thing, please? It's nauseating.


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08-26-2009 02:24 PM
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I'm just going to drop this link here:
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthre...1#pid49901




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08-28-2009 05:49 PM
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Mars Mariner Wrote:
I like the guy, to be honest.  I may disagree with what he did, but I like the guy.

Have you seen his youtube video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcOY0kWQaqc

In any case, I do not believe that these things are aliens.  I think that the cover-up is over something more terrestrial.


What if they are aliens?

I have as much proof of aliens as I do of angels ...Wink


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08-28-2009 06:04 PM
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RE: Statement on Gary McKinnon

Petemick Wrote:

Mars Mariner Wrote:
I like the guy, to be honest.  I may disagree with what he did, but I like the guy.

Have you seen his youtube video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcOY0kWQaqc

In any case, I do not believe that these things are aliens.  I think that the cover-up is over something more terrestrial.


What if they are aliens?

I have as much proof of aliens as I do of angels ...Wink


I have experienced God directly.  As for Angels and Aliens, I do not have the direct experience that would allow me to comment intelligently.  The experience of God is most important, so I will let this issue rest.

I just think that we should go after the real cyberterrorists in China and Russia, and leave Gary alone.


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11-21-2009 01:12 AM
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Petemick Wrote:
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I like the guy, to be honest.  I may disagree with what he did, but I like the guy.

Have you seen his youtube video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcOY0kWQaqc


I just think that we should go after the real cyberterrorists in China and Russia, and leave Gary alone.

That's a good song.  Who knew he was so talented?  Can't think why the FBI's so interested in him when there's larger fish to fry out there.


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11-21-2009 10:33 PM
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Gareth Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:
Only dills delete dlls.

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Anyway most servers are poorly protected and the American ones are very poor. There is an attitude there that seems to apply to security, "fix it after someone penetrates it" rather than build it proper in the first place. A few American companies have resorted to various suppliers in OZ to gain security on all sorts of things, especially documents.


That's why I love the OpenBSD approach so much - they fix even obscure potential security holes such as "if you're using this particular hardware driver and configure it with this particular setting then potentially there might be a possibility of a buffer overflow in certain situations that can be induced by someone with existing low privilege access to the machine" and do regular code audits.

One of the main problems with information security is not revealing all the information and believing in "security through obscurity". It is vastly better to reveal absolutely every detail of your system, and only then after the world has seen all the details can you be confident it's truly secure.


Dill means an idiot, local slang. The local IT guys go through the security and ask what if questions all the time. In fact the Uni I am at dedicates tons of cash and research to internet/programme security. They are very proactive here. hey hey I get priveldges to use the super computing facilities next year. We use them to model stuff, except the last guy crashed it doing a 3D chemical model, that went down real well. IT guys running all directions.


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11-22-2009 12:34 AM
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Can't think why the FBI's so interested in him when there's larger fish to fry out there.


That reminds me of the policeman who stopped a little old lady in her VW on the way to church.  
"But I wasn't speeding, officer."
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i  thought this was over with

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