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Are these asperger's traits?

I am between 18 and 22 and above average intelligence.

1.) I had trouble learning the alphabet, often misplacing letters or forgetting them altogether. Even after I had learned the alphabet I found searching for items in phonebooks etc extremely frustrating and would often offput the task on someone else.

2.) Almost 100% of the time I was handed a word search in school I would practically have a panic attack. I have extreme difficulty finding words. The page looks to me like exactly what it is...a jumble of meaningless words.

3.) I had a reputation for not knowing what the day/date was on a particular day, this has changed obviously as its obviously necessary for me(as an adult) to know what the date is and what day of the week it is.




Your Aspie score: 90 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 107 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits


I know these tests usefulness is fairly low and that 3 traits is also fairly useless, but I am just trying to get an idea here.

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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

I'm no expert, but this sounds like a form of dyslexia, rather than Asperger's.

Have you been tested for dyslexia?


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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

Marcia Wrote:
I'm no expert, but this sounds like a form of dyslexia, rather than Asperger's.

Have you been tested for dyslexia?

I just want to know if these are symptoms someone with apsergers may have.

I think trying to take 3 symptoms that I self selected(which makes them useless as a whole picture) and try to diagnose the problem isn't all that productive. You very well may be right, but I don't believe I provided you with a very good picture.

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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

These are the diagnostic criteria for Asperger's.

A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
(1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(2) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(3) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
(1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

F. Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.

Someone may be aspie and dyslexic, but what you have described above isn't suggestive of AS.


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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

Keep in mind. Its far harder for me to quantify social/interaction problems I have had.

If I was socially "normal" I probably wouldn't be asking these questions, as clearly I have taught myself how to use a phonebook. Though my brain likely does so differently than most.

I didn't list everything. For example, I have a "meltdown" probably every 6-12 months. Obviously thats an anxiety issue, but my question is:
Is that separate from my social problems and the problems I may have had with specific tasks(as stated above).

I hate clocks and only use digital clocks/watches. Which I am almost 100% is related to the things I originally posted.

All this said, let me say this:
The fact that two of these involve language is pure coincidence.

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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

Marcia Wrote:
These are the diagnostic criteria for Asperger's.


Someone may be aspie and dyslexic, but what you have described above isn't suggestive of AS.


Thanks.

I had read the diagnostic criteria and purposefully did not post symptoms that I know fall within the asperger's criteria.
Since I had not seen things like I posted anywhere I just wanted to get an idea if they were/were not.

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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

I'm not dxed aspie, although I consider myself a cousin.

I'm sure others on this forum will have more information and helpful advice for you. Smile


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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

RandomSam Wrote:
I am between 18 and 22 and above average intelligence.

1.) I had trouble learning the alphabet, often misplacing letters or forgetting them altogether. Even after I had learned the alphabet I found searching for items in phonebooks etc extremely frustrating and would often offput the task on someone else.

2.) Almost 100% of the time I was handed a word search in school I would practically have a panic attack. I have extreme difficulty finding words. The page looks to me like exactly what it is...a jumble of meaningless words.

3.) I had a reputation for not knowing what the day/date was on a particular day, this has changed obviously as its obviously necessary for me(as an adult) to know what the date is and what day of the week it is.




Your Aspie score: 90 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 107 of 200
You seem to have both Aspie and neurotypical traits


I know these tests usefulness is fairly low and that 3 traits is also fairly useless, but I am just trying to get an idea here.

dsylexic almost certain of that with a panic disorder as well. I know the panic disorder well. It is a co-morbid.


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micgrace Wrote:

dsylexic almost certain of that with a panic disorder as well. I know the panic disorder well. It is a co-morbid.

You may well be right, but I'm doubtful. I've never had any trouble reading or comprehending what I've read. Definitely no problems with upper level math either.

Also, the issues I listed have mostly solved themselves. If I am/was dyslexic its not an issue anymore.

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RE: Are these asperger's traits?

RandomSam Wrote:

micgrace Wrote:

dsylexic almost certain of that with a panic disorder as well. I know the panic disorder well. It is a co-morbid.

You may well be right, but I'm doubtful. I've never had any trouble reading or comprehending what I've read. Definitely no problems with upper level math either.


Being good at upper-level math does not, on its own, increase the chance that you have Asperger.  That's more of a stereotype.

A lot of trouble with reading comprehension could be suggestive, however, because people with Asperger's tend to have shades of NVLD (non-verbal learning disability) which is notorious for causing comprehension problems.  Asperger and NVLD are the same in a lot of ways.

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The grid looks kind of complicated because I'm only about to be in Grade 5 so I'm not in those sort
of things... yet.




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Oh, it's from an aspie test you can do online and it generates the diagramme. I'm not sure what the link to the test is though.


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Marcia Wrote:
These are the diagnostic criteria for Asperger's.

A. Qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:
(1) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(2) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(3) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to other people)
(4) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

B. Restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests, and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:
(1) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(2) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(3) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(4) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

C. The disturbance causes clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.

D. There is no clinically significant general delay in language (e.g., single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years).

E. There is no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or in the development of age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behavior (other than in social interaction), and curiosity about the environment in childhood.

F. Criteria are not met for another specific Pervasive Developmental Disorder or Schizophrenia.

Someone may be aspie and dyslexic, but what you have described above isn't suggestive of AS.


Marcia, where do these points come from? do you have a source for them? and who uses them to determine AS? thanks
Secondly, are they not just for children? as there are many more issues concrening for example, sexual and moral behaviour has been offered as a guide by several "experts"

The problem being i am assuming that if a person is old enought to be using a PC to ask questions I expect their development of langage issues as a child may have long since been forgoten?

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The criteria quoted above are from DSM-IV (TR) (American Psychiatric Association) and are used by "clinicians" as Tony Attwood puts it to diagnose Asperger's.  It seems that the exact professional qualifications and background of those who do the diagnosing can vary from country to country, or even within countries.

And yes, it does seem that these are the criteria most commonly used for children.

There is also now the Adult Asperger Assessment (AAA) which was developed by Baron-Cohen and others (2005).  This uses two screening instruments, the Autism Spectrum Quotient (ASQ) and the Empathy Quotient (EQ) and some other criteria.

This from Tony Attwood's "Complete Guide to AS".

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i think theyre the diagnostic requirements on(dsm-iv) Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th Edition, Text Revision, also known as DSM-IV-TR, is a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association (APA)



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