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I have the impression i'm not the only middle person here Shy
(middle people- those who are in the middle between the AS world and the NT world).
I wonder, how is it for the rest of you - do you feel like a mediator, explaining AS people and NT people to eachother?
do you feel neither of them can understand you?
(ofcourse when I speak of AS & NT people, it's a generalization, and there will be exceptions).

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RE: people-in-the-middle AS\NT interaction

Well I'm always explaining to my wife about aspies, namely my sons reactions and to my son about NT's, namely my wifes NT reactions (neurotypical, ie standard brain wiring pattern) so I guess I end up being the mediator. Husband, father and chief idea generator. And general fix it.


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RE: people-in-the-middle AS\NT interaction

I'm neither aspie nor NT.  I have BAP (broader autism phenotype) I don't belong in either world but do seem to relate better to people on the autistic spectrum and have a child diagnosed with AS which is why I visit these forums.  

I don't feel understood by anyone really, I'm sort of adrift on my own in some sort of shadowland, it used to upset me a lot but I've come to accept it now and I do find aspies are often more accepting of me than NTs.  I've made some good friends here.

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RE: people-in-the-middle AS\NT interaction

I consider myself sort of in the middle, or a bit more to the Aspie side than normal - I can get along pretty well with most people, AS/autistic or not. I am officially diagnosed with Nonverbal Learning Disability (some specialists just consider this unnecessary splitting of Asperger's), but on the Aspie Quiz I usually score around 130 of 200, which is a lot lower than many of the other people here. Most of my friends are "neurotypical", but I seem to get along well with other Aspies too.

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RE: people-in-the-middle AS\NT interaction

I consider myself in the middle also.

I have a meltdown maybe once a year, if that. Tongue (slight exaggeration, but I do very rarely get them)  I'm surprisingly stable in the old brain-chemistry department although I say so myself.

Of course a lot of that is more due to "growing the hell up" rather than anything to do with my psyche.


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RE: people-in-the-middle AS\NT interaction

I am constantly inbetween.  Interpreting the actions of others for my AS husband and daughter.  Interpreting the actions of my AS husband and daughter to myself.  Sometimes explaining the actions of them to others...  And lastly, but not leastly (not a word...) I spend a fair amount of time trying to do it here as well.  

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Korrigan Wrote:
Put your right foot in, put your right foot out...


??
could you explain that to me?




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RE: people-in-the-middle AS\NT interaction

I refer to myself as being aspie, but I'm not really.  I am nearly NT in my ability to socialize, but otherwise am very aspie, and actually have more trouble with Executive Dysfunction than many people here do.  So I am neither "in the middle" nor aspie- I am some weird combination of AS and NT traits.  However, since I'm quite good at socialization, I do often find myself explaining things about AS socialization to NTs, and NT socialization to aspies.
Sometimes I wish I were more aspie, because then maybe people would believe me when I say I have trouble with other things.  Sad


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Luai_lashire Wrote:
I refer to myself as being aspie, but I'm not really.  I am nearly NT in my ability to socialize, but otherwise am very aspie, and actually have more trouble with Executive Dysfunction than many people here do.  So I am neither "in the middle" nor aspie- I am some weird combination of AS and NT traits.  However, since I'm quite good at socialization, I do often find myself explaining things about AS socialization to NTs, and NT socialization to aspies.
Sometimes I wish I were more aspie, because then maybe people would believe me when I say I have trouble with other things.  Sad


I also managed to develop quite good socialising skills.
I even sometimes like it.
But sometimes I feel like a prostitute.
To the outside world I manage to give a more or less NT impression.
Only people who are very close to me realise, that it's not.
Especially my face-blindness and my incapability of reading between the lines make it quite hard at work.




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I also managed to develop quite good socialising skills.
I even sometimes like it.
But sometimes I feel like a prostitute.
To the outside world I manage to give a more or less NT impression.
Only people who are very close to me realise, that it's not.
Especially my face-blindness and my incapability of reading between the lines make it quite hard at work.


I don't really "try to pass" or anything- I dress bizarrely, I act weird, I yammer on about my interests, I stim- So I still come across weird to NTs.  But I don't have trouble with facial expressions, I don't have trouble with conversations most of the time, I don't have particularly odd eye contact or body language, I understand metaphors and jokes and such, etc.  So I only very rarely make mistakes that might "give me away" as not NT- and most NTs just are not observant enough to even notice them.  To them, it just seems like a brief moment of awkwardness.
The one exception is when I meet someone for the first time.  I'm hopeless at initiating conversation with someone I do not know.  But even then, I tend to come across more as shy (or sometimes arrogant, I've been told!) rather than aspie-ish.
Thus, to most people, I seem like someone who is "artsy", who "chooses to be odd" or (if they're quirky, too) who is capable of "being herself"- not someone whose brain functions significantly differently from the norm!
Then once they get to know me, they decide I'm extremely smart, and after that they cannot comprehend my inability to deal with certain things.  That's the real problem.


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RE: people-in-the-middle AS\NT interaction

DocMartin Wrote:

Korrigan Wrote:
Put your right foot in, put your right foot out...


??
could you explain that to me?


That, Doc, was the fault of me getting up too early in the morning and not having had coffee yet.  It was me singing "The Hokey Pokey" to myself.  

I am working on visualization skills, to try and "see" some things like the family sees them.  When I thought of how I was inbetween the two groups, I thought I had one foot in each camp.  For some weird as heck reason, that made me think of the hokey pokey, and putting one foot into the AS world, and bringing it back out.  

Hokey Pokey

You put your right hand in,
You put your right hand out,
You put your right hand in,
And you shake it all about,

You do the hokey pokey
and you turn yourself around
That what it's all about.

2) left hand
3) right foot
4) left foot
5) head
6) butt
7) whole self


I know, I am loopy.  

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Ahhhh...  I knew it was the hokey-pokey, but I couldn't figure out the relevance.


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I understand what you mean, schlomitsmile, and I'm really glad you brought this up.

I probably score higher on the Aspie scale than the majority of NT's, and definitely have a lot more understanding and affinity w/ Asperger's. I don't consider myself Aspie, of course, but I'm certainly not NT because of my ADHD and executive function problems. Here at AFF, I go by NT only to distinguish from AS, because I'm not trying to "claim" AS -- but I feel NT is also very misleading.

When people here say, "Well, you're an NT, so you should_____" I just roll my eyes. I am not NT.

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Luai_lashire Wrote:
I refer to myself as being aspie, but I'm not really.  I am nearly NT in my ability to socialize, but otherwise am very aspie, and actually have more trouble with Executive Dysfunction than many people here do.  So I am neither "in the middle" nor aspie- I am some weird combination of AS and NT traits.  However, since I'm quite good at socialization, I do often find myself explaining things about AS socialization to NTs, and NT socialization to aspies.
Sometimes I wish I were more aspie, because then maybe people would believe me when I say I have trouble with other things.  Sad



This "weird combination", is exactly what I mean with the term middle people.
We also have a spectrum. It includes NVLD people, those who have BAP, people with aspie traits and middle people NOS Smile
There are those closer to the autistic side, and those who are almost NTs.
Your last line touched me, because I identify with it so...
When you say people don't believe you, do you mean aspies, NTs or both?

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Forgive me if I'm being ignorant here, but I would have thought ADHD was indicative of non-neurotypicalism anyway...? The ADHD diagnostic confuses me. I think I have ADHD as a co-morbid, but most psychologists here will not give me an additional diagnosis (unless of course, I go private Rolleyes) because, in their opinion, traits of ADHD and AS overlap greatly. Even though I get sufficent help at uni because of AS alone, I do want Ritalin or Adderall for points when I just cannot concentrate.

Anyway, moot point. My point is that I was under the impression having ADHD would disqualify you as NT anyway.

And on topic, I'm a sociable Aspie. So yes, at times I do feel like I'm straddling NT/AS worlds.

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