So real or fake Satanist are not the same as real Pagans.  I know that.  

So if someone harms a Pagan, what do they do?  Just ask the universe for revenge?  They don't want to interfere with someone's else's will.  

I met a few people who claimed to be Satanist but really didn't know anything about it, other than reading some book.  They were just more protesting their Christian upbringing.  Others just used it for an excuse to be sociopaths, psychopaths or whatever they were.

I’m a Christian and confirmed as such a few years ago; but I have a very eclectic view of spirituality and so have incorporated many aspects of paganism and older religious beliefs into my view of the world. Shamanism, Wicca and animism, the ’world tree’ the four/five element etc all feature; as do Taoist, Buddhist and Hindu concepts.
I think perhaps my ‘pick and mix’ view of spirituality might make me a ‘bad Christian’; but for some reason there is rarely any conflict in my mind between these various belief systems.

Many pagan ideas were integrated into the early Christian church’; ideas of hospitality and simplicity, creativity, art song and some rituals.

Happy to meet another 'bad christian' here:.
The Christian language is my mother tongue religiously, so it is my main language. Having a Goddess experience is not a contradiction. Feeling at home in buddhist language neither.
They do influence eachother. But do not become one. Each gives me a different view. And I love that.

I can only answer for me, but I strongly believe in karma.  My belief is that you get what you put out x3.  Good or bad.

Duckie... thanks for your post.  It's lovely.  And I've missed you.  

Thanks Ethel...missed you very much too.

Not revenge so much as sorting-out and balance, but that's the idea.  Just like Christians are supposed to forgive and turn the other cheek.

You CAN ask Karma to hurry up and come around and bite them if you desperately need closure, but only in relation to something that specifically affects you.  And even then, it's just asking, if Karma's got its own plans for that person it probably won't change its course just because you want to see them with egg on their face.

I think that, as I have said before that no matter what you call your spirituality/religion etc., or even if you decidedly choose not to have any label for it, Do unto others are the best words to live by - which is a lot like karma.  Karma- when someone dishes something out (be it criticism or intolerance) and the same comes back at them.  
(There is a tolerance thread that reminded me of this.)

For me, it is an acceptance level which I have mostly achieved.  When I am harmed, there is a reason for it.  Whether it is that I need to learn a lesson, or whether or not the person doing it needed to learn a lesson, it is not my place to judge.  

I have seen karma at work for many many years.  It all gets worked out sooner or later.  

Has anyone seen the movie "Defending Your Life"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defending_Your_Life

Though the Biblical references are of no use to me, the basic premise is what I believe happens in the afterlife.

Oh, and atypical, I just saw your post.  They seem to be less full of typos every minute, and yet still very hard to read.  I believe it is again the lack of spacing and use of so many parentheses.

Karma.  Something you should consider.

It's not that simple though... should we show tolerance towards rapists and KKK members because if we condemn then that condemnation will come back and bite us?

Whoops... post 38 was in response to post 36.  Sorry!

Actually that is very true.  The thought of "Do Unto Others" also makes the assumption that you know how other people would like to be treated.  

"Do not do unto others as you would expect they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same."  George Bernard Shaw

Besides, when many Christians spout that, it is because of their fear of God and the punishment that awaits them if they have been "bad".  It has nothing whatsoever to do with self-responsibility.  

There is a huge difference between anger and revenge. Also in christian literature.

Posted to soon.  sorry.

In most christian doctrines revenge belongs not to humans. It is up to god. Also the judgement about revenge is not for humans. It is just as much out of reach as karma.

But anger is there. And that means you can stand up against injustice. Love your neighbour as you love yourself is asking that.

So standing up against the KKK is allowed.

Defending yourself is different than to take revenge on someone by doing unto them what they did to you.

The revenge is the logic step. It is the "Love your neighbour as you love yourself" the other way round. But that is not meant to be. Revenge is not for us humans.

(Of course I am guilty of revenge once in a while, even today. Also in writing, it is a human trait, but it can couse negative spiraling so easily)

For me spirituality is about living NOW. It has nothing to do with an afterlife or a reward.

Revenge is straining. It is giving up on joy of life with the aim to make life of someone else rotten. I spoil my own joy if all I can think of is revenge. I give up my own life if I do that.

Anger and defense is about stopping abuse and intrusions.
Revenge is feeding the spiral of hate.

That is a huge difference.

I do not look for an afterlife or reward, but I do watch myself in realizing that all of my actions, bad or good, have an impact on other people.  I like to make sure that the impact I have is what I want it to be, whether it be positive or negative.

Yes, I agree with that. I also am aware that my actions can have effects that I never imagined. These can be positive and negative too. And allthough I did not plan or want that impact I am responsible.