I think that those people who are 'anti-vaccine' will have to pay some serious consequences if their trend of such ignorant paranoia goes too far. I guess they don't care that the nasty little microorganisms that cause nasty little diseases are just waiting for this kind of opportunity to EXPLODE into an epidemic! They are too afraid of autism to care about that. But, if the anti-vaccine people die* from the diseases they should have been vaccinated from, and if the vaccines really do cause autism (which sounds ridiculous to me) . . . then I guess more people with AS will be ruling the world!

See here for an interesting article:

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...38,00.html

(*Please excuse my dark humor.)

Anyone have any idea of what could be said when parents of autistic children insist that their children's autistic traits appeared right after some dramatic reaction to vaccines? Like while trying to not say anything that people might find offensive?

I've heard that many parents who tell of such later appear to be mistaken, having documented autistic traits also before the vaccination. Kevin Leitch also has an interesting personal story at his post The Importance of Thinking Critically.

To a parent like me whose son was already showing vague genetic signs like others in the family (in the spectrum) but who after/coinciding (13 days later) with the MMR vaccination (german measle rash, 105 fever) was interrupted DRAMATICALLY.  There is nothing you can say.  I do not think that the vacine casued his autism - just messed with how he was coping with it.  (he stopped speaking for almost 2 years and acted like he couldn't hear and stopped looking at us -at all) just a fact.

I kept a log since the day he was born - I have everything written down - so I have back-up.

Guess I should say what I've been doing all along then.

I at first didn't get what you meant.. Oh yes, you are never ever offensive -so that is what you mean by doing what you have been doing all along... you are so very thoughtful and seem like you are really mindful about how you put things.  My response wasn't meant to back you off in any way,  I read the first two posts and then just responded with my own experience.  It is never wrong to give a point of view - it couldn't hurt to be carful of making blanket statements....
(I do not bother to get offended by someones wording anyway - I always give the benefit of the of the doubt anyway)

I wouldn't change my sons (or other kids) first 5 years of life for all the money on the world.

Yay suppost against anti-vacination!

You're either born with an ASD or you're not born with it--it's as simple as that. Some Kanner's autistics do talk at a normal age, but eventually loose their ability to talk, and thus 'appear' more autistic.

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy."

It doesn't matter what you say as some people will find it offensive anyway.

I was in a discussion awhile back about ASDs, genetics, and vaccines.
There was argument after argument about one or the other being the only cause of all ASDs. So I stopped for a moment and thought, and then asked them if they knew for sure that it's true in every case. I then asked why it couldn't be a little of both, and that ASDs may have a variety of causes. After all, something like the Autism Spectrum couldn't all just be caused by only one thing.

I calculated numbers after one of the states removed Thimerosal from it's vaccines, and there was a perceptible drop of a minimum of 5%, with a max of 10%. Ergo, while Vaccines may not cause Autism in all cases, it may cause it in a minority.

The anti-vaccine person thought that made sense, agreed that the majority of cases were genetics with a minority of vaccines.
The pro-vaccine person continued arguing that genetics was the only possible cause, the only deciding factor.

So here's my question in response to the original question.
Are you certain that anti-vaccine people are paranoid and ignorant about ASDs and vaccines?
I think that ASDs and genetics aren't mutually exclusive.

Just my two cents.

Quoted for Truth.

There are lots of different reasons for diagnosis for autism.  I don't believe they cause autism per se but some people have extreme adverse reactions, muy son went into coma and my 2 autistic nephews had adverse reactions.   I also had adverse reaction to seroxat, I am a member of a forum for people damaged by it because the drug does not get metabolised, the people there are not autistic but they have been harmed

The fact that there is no investigation into why some people have severe  adverse reactions shows they do not have our best interests at heart.  

I do have sympathy with those  ASDs that get frustrated at it being said it is the cause of autism when they did not have vaccines or amalgam fillings as it is not, not even Andrew Wakefield said that, the media said he said it.  I also agree that ASDs should be accepted for who they are and be allowed to do what is right for them instead being put into abusive therapies that cause distress.

I have symptoms of ASD and dx but do not use it general in order to avoid abusive treatments.

Of course the production method of most vaccines via chicken eggs is hardly ideal. I suspect more than a few people may have a reaction to some foreign protein courtesy of the chicken. I would suspect a test for the protein reaction could be made by a simple allergic reaction skin test prior to the use of the vaccine in case of a severe reaction.

It could be possible the allergic reaction to an injected foreign protein could be so violent a susceptible person could be seriously ill or worse.