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hyke
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I heard a very reasonable nice woman tell she wanted to get her spectrum daughter sterile. She feared she would not succeed.
It just left me numb.
We did have a further conversation about contraceptives. I said there were many alternatives to something that drastic. So I kind of blocked the word sterilisation out of the conversation and my conciousness.
But it did come back and it freezes me.
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| 06-01-2008 09:37 PM |
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hyke
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I did not know if I should put this under "treatment in society" or under "genitic issues"
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| 06-01-2008 09:43 PM |
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That's truely horrible. God! Why would anyone want to steralise thier own daughter? That's horrific.
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| 06-01-2008 09:48 PM |
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thats disgusting.
what a terrible parent.
why? why, so that she would not spawn anymore like her?
disgusting.
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| 06-01-2008 10:13 PM |
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Why snarky now Pikajedi5?
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| 06-01-2008 10:15 PM |
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I think she wouldn't want her daughter to get a child she wouldn't beable to take care of. This would cause sufering for the child, and would probably upset her ma...
Nevertheless... the child could be adopted/put in foster if she was unable to care for it. The argument therfore comes down to, is it right to put a child in foster care or to do an intrusive operation which could potentially destroy an individual's happieness of having a child, that she might beable to care for after all. The operation may also damage the child emotionally.
(I urgently request that you print this out and show the lady, for her daughter's sake. DO IT PLEASE I AM SERIOUS!)
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| 06-01-2008 10:19 PM |
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huh?
oh, I've just noticed that I have been rather snarky in the past few days.
fair warning and all that
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| 06-01-2008 10:19 PM |
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I think she wouldn't want her daughter to get a child she wouldn't beable to take care of. This would cause sufering for the child, and would probably upset her ma...
Nevertheless... the child could be adopted/put in foster if she was unable to care for it. The argument therfore comes down to, is it right to put a child in foster care or to do an intrusive operation which could potentially destroy an individual's happieness of having a child, that she might beable to care for after all. The operation may also damage the child emotionally.
(I urgently request that you print this out and show the lady, for her daughter's sake. DO IT PLEASE I AM SERIOUS!)
I will talk again with her about it. And as far as I know there is no way she'll get health institutions to sterilise her daughter. It's not done here as far as I know. And as far as she knows aswell. But I do need to adress her over it again. The mere thought is making me sick. And I will state that I'm not the only one thinking like that if necessary.
Thanks for your reactions so far.
Being not alone in being abhorred by this is doing me a lot of good.
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| 06-02-2008 12:47 AM |
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I could be wrong, but if she were able to say that her daughter were not able to make that decision by herself, or any decisions for that matter, she could get control over her daughter's medical choices.
I would suggest something less permanent. Possibly an IUD, which last up to 5 years.
That will allow her to have the "comfort" she needs in knowing she does not have to worry about it, and will still allow her daughter to remain in control of her future choices.
I think that this is not unusual in parents of children who are mentally disabled. NO I AM NOT SAYING SOMEONE ON THE SPECTRUM IS MENTALLY DISABLED. But I believe I have heard about such things when a person is mentally retarded and is unable to make the proper choices for themselves, their bodies are mature and ready, and yet their minds remain as children. That could be very scary for someone who is not mentally able to grasp childbirth, and what would happen with the infant after birth? We cannot assume adoption or placement would be an easy task for the infant, nor can we understand what it would do to the mother of the child or the grandmother, who could possibly end up raising the child as well as possibly dealing with caring for her daughter as well. I do not know the state of the daughter so I cannot assume that she is mentally retarded, you just said on spectrum.
I am upset at the thought that she would sterilize her daughter because she is on spectrum, but do not have enough information to really pass any kind of judgment. That whole, walking a mile in someone's shoes thing.
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| 06-02-2008 01:12 AM |
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What a ***, the mother should be hung.
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| 06-02-2008 01:18 AM |
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I don't really have enough information about this case. If the mother fears her daughter is being abused or exploited sexually and her daughter is not capable of consenting sex, that is a crime. Whoever is doing this to her daughter should be put into prison. If her daughter just is promiscuous then she could have a discussion with her and her doctor about putting the girl onto some form of contraception. Probably injection or implants could be good but that would be for the doctor to recommend.
Sterilizing someone is just wrong.
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| 06-02-2008 02:37 PM |
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Has this mother actually begun some legal process to have her daughter sterilized, or is this just wishful talk? Indeed she might not succeed...I hope the law in your area will not allow this sterilization to happen simply because of the mother's wishes!
"...and dreams of a future with meaning and no need to lie,
no need to hate, no need to hide."
Genesis, "Keep It Dark"
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| 06-02-2008 02:49 PM |
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In my opinion if this mother was worried about her daughter having sex she would have addressed the STD issue.
If she were worried about her daughter being raped. She would have addressed the how to protect her from rape.
I believe she for whatever reason does not want her daughter to get pregnant. I wonder, how old is the daughter and what her feelings are?
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| 06-02-2008 03:03 PM |
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I've been looking on the internet. As far as I can see forced contraceptive is only allowed if giving birth or being pregnant would be harmful for the mother. If there ar physical conditions why she should not do that. And the woman has an IQ below 60 contraceptives can be given without the consent of the wouldbe mom.
So there is no legal way, as far as I can see it, how she could get her daughter sterile. The health and wellbeing of a possible baby is no legitimate reason to sterilise a girl.
But the mere thought of a mom trying is enough to freeze me. She does not trust an IUD. And her daughter is gorgeous. And is behaving as many teenagers that are stunning. No matter what their IQ is. Flirting.
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