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What's neurodiversity to you?
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Ivar T
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
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| 05-14-2008 10:27 PM |
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
Bet it is dutch.
Ja, het is nederlands. (Yes, it's dutch)
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| 05-14-2008 10:29 PM |
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
I see that the article doesn't directly state that neurodiversity is about not thinking of autism as a disorder, but the article seem to fail to mention that there are alot of different people, including parents of non-verbal children, who subscribe to the neurodiversity movement while still thinking of autism as a disability, if maybe not solely a disability.
I would say that autism includes both abilities and disabilities. I think that it is an oversimplification to say that it is just a disability.
That idea about curing autism equals destroying the original personality is something I find to be the weakest link when it comes to the neurodiversity idea - purely a philosophical idea. I think that the real feelings behind this idea could be presented in a more feet on the ground way though.
I'm not sure if there is any better way to explain that. It makes sense to me to say "trying to "cure" autism (or change any neurotype into another, for that matter) is unethical because it would be destructive" (at least, assuming that the only "cure" would be surgery, which seems likely to me).
I would argue that autism is not a disorder, disorder meaning "out of order", as if there is a thing called autism that is changing a person from ordered to disordered, and removing autism would make them in a more natural state. There are a number of us who are disabled, though, which is why it's important that autistic people, even those who aren't disabled, do not try to distance autism from disability as if it's a bad thing that should go away. Because all that does is create divisions, and ignores a whole lot of excellent things that disabled autistic people have to say.
I agree.
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That idea about curing autism equals destroying the original personality is something I find to be the weakest link when it comes to the neurodiversity idea - purely a philosophical idea. I think that the real feelings behind this idea could be presented in a more feet on the ground way though.
I'm not sure if there is any better way to explain that. It makes sense to me to say "trying to "cure" autism (or change any neurotype into another, for that matter) is unethical because it would be destructive" (at least, assuming that the only "cure" would be surgery, which seems likely to me).
Lemme give a shot at a better explanation.
The thought of a world without autism, equals a world without autistic people - which is not, to say the least, an appealing thought to those of the neurodiversity movement.
... If I manage to add abit of rhethoric to that point it would be magnificent!
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| 05-16-2008 11:34 AM |
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
Neurodiversity for me is having regular people be more aware. Awareness of the need for individuality and that each person is unique i slacking. MAny of the ills and unhappiness in society can be traced to unreal expecatations on large groups of people to act in concert. Sameness brings suffering to many a soul. Having a respect for neurodiversity and believing and accepting that each person has something to offer just by being who they are can bring more happiness into the world. A happy people are an innovative people and the more people that are thinking or working or interacting differently the better the world will be in the long run.
Group think is shortsighted and leads to failure
Diversity is big picture success
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| 05-28-2008 03:27 PM |
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| 05-28-2008 03:47 PM |
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Ivar T - It is spooky how identical you look to how I still think of my brother - (He is 39 now) but for many, many years - he looked just like you!
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| 05-28-2008 04:14 PM |
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
Someone wrote something like that before, I don't remember if it was you.
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| 05-28-2008 04:57 PM |
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
From my perspective, the difference between NT people and people within the Autism-spectrum is has to do with how and to what degree a person is pre-wired. NT people seem to have a lot of pre-wiring that is lacking for people within the Autism-spectrum. The consequence of this is that within the Autism-spectrum lack many of the skills and instinct that NT have from an early age on, but they are able to learn these skills and overcome their lack of pre-wiring if they're sufficiently intelligent. In some cases and in some areas they can even overcome the skills of most NTs, because pre-wiring also means conventional thought and conventional thought isn't always the most efficient.
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
I also have that idea of autism, and would also say that because autistic people lack the pre-wiring and/or instincts they are much more intellectually challanged throughout life, hence often become more intelligent in several areas.
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
I also have that idea of autism, and would also say that because autistic people lack the pre-wiring and/or instincts they are much more intellectually challanged throughout life, hence often become more intelligent in several areas.
You can't become more intelligent, but you can become more skilled. Intelligence is something you're born with.
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| 06-26-2008 03:32 PM |
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RE: What's neurodiversity to you?
Better at problem solving then.
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| 06-26-2008 04:55 PM |
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