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My personal opinion is that "autism" might be a term for a combination of influences.  I wouldn't over-simplify what it is until we know more.  Genetics and environment all key in.  I believe that mercury is not a good idea to inject in to anybody.  That does not mean I believe that it causes autism---mind you.  I am simply suggesting that it is unhealthy for anyone.  

Pharma cartels are indeed powerful.  I suspect German Pharmaceutical companies of possibly being behind the German government's crackdown on Scientology.  I am not for Scientology, mind you.  I am simply stating that Bayer (an I.G. Farben spin-off) is powerful indeed, in Germany and around the world.  And, as is the case with all monopolies that do not engage in real free enterprise, there is collusion with government on all levels.  I don't want to get political here, so google "Dave Emory" and "Mae Brussel" for more information on the subject of the "Underground Reich" and its geopolitical influence.  I no longer dwell on it because the subject is very dark, and for psychological reasons I don't want to "go there," so be careful if you do.

Now for the punchline, however.  Neuro-diversity is not premised on a particular "explanation" for autism.  Left-wing critics of ND sound like shrill St*linists when they insist that the acceptance movement is simply a front for Pfizer, an insulting accusation that is beneath contempt.  They can "hate" autism all they want, but it will not go away simply by bringing certain powerful influences to account, as much as I want to do that myself.  

The Spectrum predates mercury in vaccines.  And, it will be around after mercury is long gone.  If it is true that genetics and environment both affect the Spectrum, then removing mercury is no more a "cure" than removing Challah and Knishes from my plate somehow changes my religion.  Nor would putting them in front of LC make him want to sing "Hava Negillah."  Do not fear, my friends.  The Spectrum will not disappear.  

The Spectrum will always exist because G-d made it.  It was made for a reason.  I believe that it exists for the betterment of human kind.  Now, treatments that are ethical and humane should exist for people who want to improve their skills and cope better.  Some of you may denounce these as "cures," but I don't (provided that they are not nonsense or cruelty-based, as so many are).  Chelation sounds like nonsense.  Electro-shock should result in prison for those who inflict it.  And, psychiatric drugs are from the very Pharmas that ND opponents claim they oppose.  Rather, good old fashioned psycho-therapy can help all of us, just as it helps NT's, especially talking over our problems and relating to others.  This way, the Gifts we have can be developed and the weaknesses overcome, by our own personal development and not anything forced.

All the best.

Even if we accept the Huffington Post's report as correct, all it means is that the US Government and one plantiff may have reached a settlement based on the facts of one case.  That could mean that the plantiffs in that case realized they were going to lose at trial and on appeal, and decided to cut a deal, most likely on the basis of some actual legit medical injury from a vaccine.  

Like I said, that's assuming the report is true, and the "concession" was anything more than a way to end wasteful litigation.

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/0...m.php#more

Here is an excellent blog post deconstructing the article on the Huffington Post.

And then the government has the gall to wonder at the rise in "syndromes and disorders"
My mother IMed this to me... and I think you should all read it...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...geId=57629
This article made me a bit angry... seriously the incompetence rate these people have is astounding in my opinion. They're sitting on their hands while children are being vaccinated with something that could cause autism and immunodeficiencies in children...  
and they're conceding... :-\

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There has never been any connection shown between vaccinations and Autism or Mercury and Autism. There just isn't any evidence for it. Studies have been done where they compared the rates of Autism in a vaccinated group and an unvaccinated group and both had the same occurrence rate.

And what on Earth do you mean that vaccinations cause "immunodeficiencies"? Vaccinations make the immune system stronger by exposing it to a "dead" or severely weakened virus. Once the body is exposed, it will then be able to produce the correct antibodies if it comes in contact with that virus again. Therefore, the immune system grows stronger.

Yes, and if enough people decided not to have their children immunised, the bad old days when kids died in their hundreds from diseases such as the measles, diptheria, whooping cough, and polio could easily come back. In fact, in countries where immunisation isn't routine, these and similar diseases do kill and damage many people.

But what about all the parents that say that their child developed or regressed into autism... AFTER getting vaccinated... and what I meant by immunodeficiencies is... some children seem to get sicker and may develop other health issues after ... I know that vaccines expose the body to a dead bacterium or a severly weakened virus... but what else are we exposing our children to? Do we really know for sure? .... that said... I wouldnt run the risk of not vaccinating any of my children...the risk would be greater in my opinion.

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Thank you for that link, the writer did a wonderful job.  This settlement is nothing more than the facts of the case justifying a settlement.  The reason the Vaccine Injury Compensation Trust Fund (VICTF) exists is because vaccines occasionally cause real injuries, and the US federal government decided to protect the vaccine makers from liability from these occasional events by assuming the liability, and providing a statutory framework to rule on claims.  Any arguements, for or against, this policy, are best reserved for another discussion.

It sounds like you may be fairly new to the whole vaccine discussion, so here's a few pointers.

For starters, autism is often first noticed at around 2-3 years, which is about the same time kids start getting vaccinated. This is the reason so many parents say their child "regressed into autism" after being vaccinated.

As far as the science goes, there have been 13 different comprehensive studies showing no link between mercury & autism, and 14 different studies showing no link between MMR & autism. The people that believe the mercury theory of autism believe that a world-wide conspiracy run by pharmaceutical companies falsifies data.

The rise in autistic numbers is due to accurate diagnosis being more readily available, as well as to the autistic spectrum criteria changing to fit a larger number of people. For example, aspergers has only been around since 1994, and wide-scale diagnosis of aspergers has only recently become available. The aspergers figure is included in most quoted autistic tallies (i.e. the currently quoted "1 in 150" rate includes aspies).

To top it all off, many people on this site can trace a direct line of autism descent back through at least one or two generations. For myself, my mother is on the spectrum, and her father was on the spectrum. My aspie partner can also trace autistic tendencies back two generations.

Part of the reason people deny the genetic origins or autism to the extent they do is that they want to have something they can "fix", or at least a person they can blame. Another part of the reason is that many parents have a very negative view of autism, and do not want to acknowledge that it may have come from themselves or their partner.

Some food for thought, in any case...

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=735

Kevin Leitch's reply.

Children start getting vaccinated before they are even released from the hospital. Hep B is given at a day old. Also, the people doing the 14 studies is none other then the CDC (center for disease control). Obviously they are not going to take blame in something they did or find fault with it.
The amount of vaccines I had as a child (I"m 29) is a lot less then my children have had. I think that should be taken into account although I agree with you that autism is  just more recognized now.

I"m not against vaccines nor am I sure they had any effect on my son which is why I do still vaccinate them. I will say that I didnt do flu shots this year due to the mercury. If I ever had another child I would make sure I had a mercury free Rhogam shot. The Rhogam shot makes me think a lot since its give at 28 weeks gestation. I looked up the organs developing then , and its the brain. Doesnt make sense to me to inject mom with a shot (half mercury) when the fetus' brain is developing. I'm not sure on the whole vaccine/autism issue. The thing that makes me comletely unsure is I had the Rhogam with my older son and he had the same shots as his brother and he is typical. ?? I just dont know.
My son does have regressive autism - he was talking , responding to his name , eye contact all at 18months  -- two months later it was all GONE. He had a few shots at 18 months.

I didn't know that about the Hep B vaccinations...

About the other point, the studies were done by the Institute of Medicine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Medicine), as per this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_con...Thiomersal). The IOM is a non-governmental, not-for-profit organisation.

Yep and then they get more at 2 weeks old Its craziness. My kids have prob have 20-30 shots and my youngest is 4. Sometimes they get 6 at a time. Way too many.
Thanks for the links. I never heard of the Institute of Medicine. I read the articles Thanks. I think its dangerous not to vaccinate! I know some moms who didnt vaccinate their second child because they said it "caused" autism and their other children got diagnosed  anyways.

Thanks for the links. I never heard of the Institute of Medicine. I read the articles Thanks. I think its dangerous not to vaccinate! I know some moms who didnt vaccinate their second child because they said it "caused" autism and their other children got diagnosed  anyways.

*grins* No probs.

I only found out about them doing research for other debates like this one - it's amazing how many big organisations out there you just don't hear about until you dig for a while...

Completely off topic so sorry , but have you come across articles pertaining to genetic links for migraines/autism. Migraines run in my family, myself included. A friend of mine brought up a good point of light/sound sensitivies with migraines being like sensory issues in someone with autism. I thought it was something to look into.