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Stop thinking you’ll get by on your high I.Q.

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http://blog.penelopetrunk.com/2007/11/20...r-high-iq/

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November 20, 2007

Stop thinking you’ll get by on your high I.Q.


My son’s I.Q. is in the top .05% of all preschoolers, but he attended preschool in a special education classroom. He has Asperger’s Syndrome, a form of autism typified by a distinctly high I.Q. and a notable lack of emotional intelligence. Asperger’s is thought to be genetic, and it is surging among kids in places like Silicon Valley, that attract math and tech geniuses who often have sub-par social skills.

We know one boy with Asperger’s who taught himself to read books when he was two years old. Scientists surmise that learning to read books so fast consumes the part of his brain that should be learning to read social cues.

My son’s special education classroom was full of kids like that one — who used to pass through the education system labeled eccentric geniuses, only to graduate having never learned social skills and consequently falter in adulthood.

Today, educators take a child’s lack of social skills seriously. Parents should also. For educators, any nonverbal learning disability (like not being able to tell if someone cares about what you are talking about) is treated as significantly as a verbal learning disability (like not being able to speak.) Yet I am stunned by how many parents brush aside recommendations from educators to get help for their children by saying to themselves, “My child is so smart.”

Smart is not an endgame. Even in a toddler.

To understand why, look to the workplace. After where you go to school, social skills are the most important factor in whether you succeed or fail. I link to this research all the time, but frankly, if you need research to understand that the people who are best at office politics succeed at the office, then you are missing basic social cues already.

But here’s more evidence: Nine out of ten business schools consider communication and interpersonal skills “highly underrated as a differentiating factor for students,” according to CareerJournal. And Jeff Puzas at PRTM echos a cacophony of workplace voices when he says,  ”Most of what I do every day as a management consultant has to do with interpersonal skills, not my I.Q.”

And when you think about someone finding his way to success in the real world, consider the Wall St. Journal’s list of the traits that recruiters look for in business school candidates:

Communication and interpersonal skills    

Original and visionary thinking

Leadership potential                                  

Ability to work well within a team

Analytical and problem-solving skills

Notice that most of these skills are independent of intelligence. Smart is even less of an endgame for adults than children-and the standard for ability to work well with others is only getting higher, not lower: Generation Y is more team-oriented than prior generations.

So, it’s time for us to stop making excuses for poor social skills and start taking the problem as seriously as educators do. It’s painful for both children and adults who cannot navigate social settings. Kids sit on the sidelines on the playground; adults can’t maintain close relationships. It’s a limited life and it’s limited in the area where people have an inherent need to thrive.

I sense that people are going to argue with me here, but please consider that all the positive psychology research points to the fact that work does not make people happy. Relationships do. But we see the history of people with Asperger’s - Einstein, Mozart, John Forbes Nash - they did amazing work but could not maintain stable, intimate relationships.

Parents: Stop pretending that your child’s I.Q. matters more than their social skills. Get treatment for your child as soon as a professional recommends it. Respect that the risk of not being able to transition to the work world is significant, and so is the risk of waiting to see if your child will fail despite being brilliant.

Human beings learn social skills best at a very young age, when their brain is still forming. So celebrate that the government provides free training for children lacking social skills by using it. Start studying the playground. Respect what often seems insignificant to parents with small children-diagnoses of speech delay or disorder, and diagnoses of sensory integration, for example. Those issues threaten future development of social skills.

As an adult, one of the hardest parts of having low emotional intelligence is that you don’t realize it. People who are missing the cues have no idea they are missing them. So the most unable often have the least understanding of where they fall in the spectrum.

I’m going to tell you something harsh: If your career is stuck, it’s probably because of poor social skills. People who don’t know what they want to do with themselves but have good social skills don’t feel stuck, they feel unsure. People who are lacking social skills feel like they have nowhere to go.

Lost people feel possibilities. Stuck people do not feel possibilities. Ask yourself which you are. And if you feel suck, stop looking outside yourself to solve the problem. You need to change how you interact with people.

Another idea for how to figure out where you fall in the social skills spectrum is to take a self-diagnostic test. Here is one at Wired magazine about Aperger’s, and here is one about emotional intelligence. Or give a test to the people you work with - a 360-degree review will tell you in no uncertain terms if you are being held back because people don’t like you.

Hold it. Did you just say, “If people don’t like me maybe it’s their fault!” Forget it. People with good social skills can get along with just about everyone.

So help your kids to form intimate relationships with peers, and help yourself, too. In fact, as an adult you can learn how to compensate for lack of social skills by watching how schools are teaching the kids to do it.

Pay attention. Because when it comes to our job - no matter what our job is - it’s the relationships that make us happy, not the work. That’s why I.Q. doesn’t matter.


11-21-2007 04:23 PM
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RE: Stop thinking you’ll get by on your high I.Q.

The gist of what he's saying is good: don't ignore your child's other problems just because the child has high IQ.

There are a number of smaller nitpicks, such as calling Einstein, Mozart and Nash (who wasn't autistic but schizophrenic) aspies when there is evidence or consensus for it. Also, the idea that if you feel stuck at work, it's always entirely your own fault, and that IQ doesn't matter (it does; in some professions more than others, and not as much as some like to think, but it does, because it's an integral part of being a person).

Overall, though, it's sound advice.

11-21-2007 04:48 PM
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RE: Stop thinking you’ll get by on your high I.Q.

What's the point of life when you can't follow a passion because social skills training got in the way? Social skills training programs obviously takes alot of time, and I'm not sure how helpfull they really are.

It kind of feels like this article wants to put it that persuing one's own interests is worthless for aspies if they don't have these interaction skills.

It is however a problem when we can't advocate for ourself, or if we act inappropriately somehow. I don't know how well these social skills training programs for children attack such problems, but I know that if having someone else to advocate for you, someone whom you trust who tells you when you've acted inappropriately, can be very helpfull.


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There are a number of smaller nitpicks, such as calling Einstein, Mozart and Nash (who wasn't autistic but schizophrenic) aspies when there is evidence or consensus for it.

Remember that this could only be called an opinion. That these people were or were not autistic is infalsifiable.


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I’m going to tell you something harsh: If your career is stuck, it’s probably because of poor social skills. People who don’t know what they want to do with themselves but have good social skills don’t feel stuck, they feel unsure. People who are lacking social skills feel like they have nowhere to go.


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That part seems so true about me. I'm in that exact situation at work.


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Pay attention. Because when it comes to our job - no matter what our job is - it’s the relationships that make us happy, not the work. That’s why I.Q. doesn’t matter.


*BZZT* Wrong!
I love what I'm good at.and getting a job doing it would make me happy. very happy.

ecstactic, infact (why oh WHY isnt my Firefox spellchecker working?).

i really couldnt give two smegs who i worked with,to be bluntly honest.

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RE: Stop thinking you’ll get by on your high I.Q.

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What's the point of life when you can't follow a passion because social skills training got in the way?

It won't; it's not designed to take away anyone's passions.

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Social skills training programs obviously takes alot of time, and I'm not sure how helpfull they really are.

It kind of feels like this article wants to put it that persuing one's own interests is worthless for aspies if they don't have these interaction skills.

It's simply saying that it would be in aspies' best interest to know social skills, as that, for better or worse, is what makes society tick.

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It is however a problem when we can't advocate for ourself, or if we act inappropriately somehow. I don't know how well these social skills training programs for children attack such problems, but I know that if having someone else to advocate for you, someone whom you trust who tells you when you've acted inappropriately, can be very helpfull.

Is advocacy all you care about? Many aspies do want interaction, they're not sure how to do it. And even if they don't, if they're going to have the opportunity to do what they want to do, they need interaction skills.

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Simen Wrote:
There are a number of smaller nitpicks, such as calling Einstein, Mozart and Nash (who wasn't autistic but schizophrenic) aspies when there is evidence or consensus for it.

Remember that this could only be called an opinion. That these people were or were not autistic is infalsifiable.


Exactly. It's a highly speculative opinion that shouldn't have been represented as fact.

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The article is correct by and large.  It is their world, they are a majority by far, maybe 70 to 1.  Even if they aren't doing it on purpose, they can do enough damage by ignorance of the issue by itself.

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RE: Stop thinking you’ll get by on your high I.Q.

Simen Wrote:
The gist of what he's saying is good: don't ignore your child's other problems just because the child has high IQ.

There are a number of smaller nitpicks, such as calling Einstein, Mozart and Nash (who wasn't autistic but schizophrenic) aspies when there is evidence or consensus for it. Also, the idea that if you feel stuck at work, it's always entirely your own fault, and that IQ doesn't matter (it does; in some professions more than others, and not as much as some like to think, but it does, because it's an integral part of being a person).

Overall, though, it's sound advice.


Does schizophrenia not share some characteristics with autism in common? What I know of Nash is from a beautiful mind very good film.  Good thread though, like a lot of the comments, I figured a long time that having successful relationships was what made me happy, its hard but I need to be social and around people, it hurts me when people reject me and hate on me especially when I don't know why.

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It's the relationships that make us happy


Wrong, or, to be exact, too generalized. I was often unhappy with even succeeded relationships, yes, that rare cases of friendship made me even more escape into my "own world" than I already was. Not always (there are friendships I enjoy), but often.

But I  was never unhappy with myself doing what I can do well. And the author also makes a mistake by saying career success=happiness. One can be successful and unhappy. As well as happy and unsuccessful. Everybody has his own definition of what makes him happy.

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I take major issue with the assertion that "learning to read book so fast consumes the part of [the child's] brain that should be learning to read social cues".

a) Not all autistics/Aspies are early readers.

b) Many non-autistic gifted children are early readers, and have no problems reading social cues later on.

c) Early reading, or early learning of any sort, doesn't cause inability to interact well socially.  The idea that children who learn too much too early turn into humorless little bookworms who don't like to play is a myth.
Personally, I'd be more concerned about early TV-watching and video games leading to a sedentary lifestyle and subsquesent impairment of children's social skills (since they're more popular among many kids, and usually require only passive participation.)

d) Neither early reading nor too much TV/Xbox is going to somehow "make" a child autistic.  It's an inborn neurological state.  This article implies that early reading might somehow turn children autistic....a harmful and misleading statement with no scientific support.  

I suppose all of us early-reading Aspies are the way we are because *sob* the books ate our little brains......LOL


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OH NOES,TEH BOOKZORS MADE ME AUTISM!!!1!

actually,i was quite late to read.but once i did take an interest...wee! LOTR at the grand ol' age o' nine.

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Fruitcake Wrote:

Simen Wrote:
The gist of what he's saying is good: don't ignore your child's other problems just because the child has high IQ.

There are a number of smaller nitpicks, such as calling Einstein, Mozart and Nash (who wasn't autistic but schizophrenic) aspies when there is evidence or consensus for it. Also, the idea that if you feel stuck at work, it's always entirely your own fault, and that IQ doesn't matter (it does; in some professions more than others, and not as much as some like to think, but it does, because it's an integral part of being a person).

Overall, though, it's sound advice.


Does schizophrenia not share some characteristics with autism in common?


Some, yes. I don't see how that makes Nash aspie.

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It's simply saying that it would be in aspies' best interest to know social skills, as that, for better or worse, is what makes society tick.


Are you really saying one stupid article knows what's in an Aspie's best interest?

Some of us do not want social skills training--I agree, if it works, it would be useful.   But the problem is I do not change myself to fit anyone else's idea of "sociable."  That is fundamentally against my approach--I think people should be who and what they are.

You might then argue that successful social skills training would simply give you tools that you could turn on and off at will, and would not change you.  But I digress.

11-22-2007 07:13 AM
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