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i will have mom read it to me. thank you.  i want to learn more to change it, not argue about it.

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10-04-2007 10:24 PM
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Well, the whites were in a clear minority, something like 10% of population...


Which makes it a perfect example. They maintained domination and oppression not through numbers but through exclusive access to the levers of power.

10-04-2007 10:27 PM
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i will have mom read it to me. thank you.  i want to learn more to change it, not argue about it.

hrick


You can't learn about it or change it without reaching an understanding of what it really is and how it really works. That will always require argument because those who receive benefit and privilege from an oppressive system will always try to discredit, shout down, censor, and ignore the truth about that system.

"Let's not argue" benefits the oppressor class because without argument, everything quietly, politely reverts to the status quo, which is that those on top stay on top.

10-04-2007 10:32 PM
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The Seventh Day Adventists (or Joe Crews, The Secret Rapture) and others who claim that the Catholic Church is the beast in Revelations insist that the C.C. has changed the ten commandments to remove "Remember the Sabbath Day and to keep it holy".

I've never seen a Catholic Bible, and certainly I would be in no position to go back in time and see if a previous version said that.

I think the C.C. reads the Douay Bible.  I would need to buy one and read it to compare it to the NIV or KJV (New International or King James Versions).


So in short what you are saying is that there are many Bibles.

There is only one true Bible, the first collection of books written by various people ie.the first unadulterated one.

All of the others have been translated & amended to suit the various Christian faiths.

10-04-2007 10:52 PM
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i will have mom read it to me. thank you.  i want to learn more to change it, not argue about it.

hrick


Wow hrick - you are really wise!!
Take time to think - to explore - to understand new ways of looking at things - and then come to a conclusion - but always remain open and ready to take on new ideas.

When people fight - it is too easy to close off your mind to new ideas and  and become rigid in your thinking.

I will give your ideas some more thought Max - and I will review the websites you put up.


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10-04-2007 10:57 PM
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Oppression is all about strong arming another / oppressing another.
People use power to oppress.


Strong-arming and oppression are, at best, fourth cousins, six times removed. Both deal with a power inequality, but they are not even close to synonyms.


- it seems we have a difference of opinion -


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10-04-2007 11:20 PM
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I know we discussed oppression through political power in sociology/social stratification and all.
But I still say that even a powerless person can communicate a hateful glance at another person, maybe one who deserves it.
Nevertheless, offensiveness gets around, and maybe I am using oppression when "communicating or suggesting hatred" is appropriate instead.  

But it is useful to know that it goes far beyond oppression.  If nothing else, offensiveness feeds more offensiveness (and some oppression too).


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I meant to use the term as a metaphor.


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10-04-2007 11:35 PM
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But I still say that even a powerless person can communicate a hateful glance at another person, maybe one who deserves it.


Which has nothing to do with oppression.

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But it is useful to know that it goes far beyond oppression.  If nothing else, offensiveness feeds more offensiveness (and some oppression too).


I agree - offensiveness can feed more offensiveness and this in turn can lead to oppression.
Offensiveness can suppress people from expressing their ideas - this in turn can lead to oppression of free thought.


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10-04-2007 11:42 PM
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OK, oppression is offensive activity backed with power.  Only a powerful entity can oppress an unpowerful entity.

That is important, because it means a would-be oppresser DOES NOT HAVE TO OFFEND OR OPPRESS.  Power means you can, whether or not you do.

A lot of so-called Christians delight in using this power to make other people's lives miserable.  Me, I hate that.

Nevertheless, offensive words and actions go in all directions and are not limited to the powerful, and begat more offensiveness.  

Oppression is a problem.
Offensiveness is the problem.


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10-04-2007 11:45 PM
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offensiveness can feed more offensiveness and this in turn can lead to oppression.
Offensiveness can suppress people from expressing their ideas - this in turn can lead to oppression of free thought.


That really makes no sense at all.  Perhaps you can explain it. Do you perhaps just mean 'free expression" rather than "free thought"? That makes a little bit of sense.

10-04-2007 11:58 PM
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Max the Bear Wrote:

Lucie1 Wrote:

offensiveness can feed more offensiveness and this in turn can lead to oppression.
Offensiveness can suppress people from expressing their ideas - this in turn can lead to oppression of free thought.


That really makes no sense at all.  Perhaps you can explain it. Do you perhaps just mean 'free expression" rather than "free thought"? That makes a little bit of sense.


oh - umm - give me a moment to thinkCoolSmile


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10-05-2007 12:04 AM
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okay - haven't taken much time - but limiting freedom of thought - goes beyond limiting freedom of expression. By limiting freedom of expression - you are limiting and repressing freedom of thought.
It's hard to explain - I know in my mind what I am thinking. Perhaps someone else may be better able to explain.


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10-05-2007 12:11 AM
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People need to able to express themselves freely and without constraint - this advances and develops thinking.


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10-05-2007 12:15 AM
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