Yes, that repulses me. "Oh, if only the Great White Father will approve of me, his treasured blessing will lift me from my degraded state of Negritude."

Vomit.

It amazes me far left libs  see Black Conservatives as subserviant or puppets.. they cannot fathom many blacks are conservative.  How racist to think blacks are only libs who feign conservatives and if they are conservative they have no mind of their own.. HOW racists is THAT?  WOAH1

Some of you  need to read Star parkers Book "Uncle Sam's Plantation" And Clarence Thomas New book where he exposes the racism of the far left and their attitude about blacks.  Far left is far more racist than the Republican Party.  How racist to think that blacks cannot think for themselves if they are conservative.  

I have seen more racism with the far left and in the NE than I ever have anywhere else especially as disguised racism.

It amazes me far left libs  see Black Conservatives as subserviant or puppets.. they cannot fathom many blacks are conservative.  How racist to think blacks are only libs who feign conservatives and if they are conservative they have no mind of their own.. HOW racists is THAT?  WOAH1

Some of you  need to read Star parkers Book "Uncle Sam's Plantation" And Clarence Thomas New book where he exposes the racism of the far left and their attitude about blacks.  Far left is far more racist than the Republican Party.  How racist to think that blacks cannot think for themselves if they are conservative.  

I have seen more racism with the far left and in the NE than I ever have anywhere else especially as disguised racism.

I humbly hope you didn't read my post thinking that I have no respect for Ms Rice.

I have enormous respect for anyone who manages to get as far as she has - and especially against odds that her boss cannot fathom.

I was actually expressing disgust with President Bush for his appallingly condescending attitude.

I would have far greater respect for the USA if Ms Rice were president, despite the fact that I disagree with her politics.

But I have a horrible suspicion that although the US will eventually elect a non-WASP-male president, the powers behind the scenes will orchestrate it so that their presidency will be perceived as an abysmal failure. Then they will say:

"We tried a  *gay/female/black/native american/non-christian/all of the above* president and look what happened!"

and go back to electing each other.

I look for the best candidate.  But I encourage people to read the books of Star Parker and Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

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It amazes me far left libs  see Black Conservatives as subserviant or puppets.. they cannot fathom many blacks are conservative.  How racist to think blacks are only libs who feign conservatives and if they are conservative they have no mind of their own.. HOW racists is THAT?  WOAH1

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I am not american - I miss your point.  
I stated my personal point of view - that was all.

You make the above statement - and then place a statement of mine beneath.
Do you see me as being a racist because Condoleeza comes across to me as being puppet.
I don't understand. You seem angry.

Max - I don't think the blindness is willful -
It is not until you belong to minority within the majority - that you really become aware of how much of society is structured to cater to the needs of the majority and/or structural oppression.

Yetti, it's clear you don 't know what you're talking about. The conservative/Republican/neo-con establishment has consistently governed against the interests of black people for decades. I can "fathom" that there are black conservatives. Perhaps you can fathom that they are a distinct minority of black voters for very good reason.

It's hard to respond to that, Yetti, since it made absolutely no sense..

Please explain racism to me, Yetti. I mean You're calling me racist, in your own incoherent way, so you must be less ignorant about it than you sound. Enlighten me. Explain my racism to me.

Star Parker? Clarence Thomas? You only prove my point. The conservatives will elevate a miserable, unqualified hack like Thomas to the Supreme Court, and a clown like Parker to "pundit" status as long as they can be used against black people. I had no idea anyone was fool enough to actually buy that crap. Glad to meet you, Yetti.

That is so patently false that you either know you're lying or this is a sanity issue. It's interesting that only extreme right-wing white people (and a handful of self-loathing black lap-dogs) even pretend to agree with you. I guess the 85 - 90% of black people who abhor the right-wing politics of Thomas and Parker are just too ignorant to know any better. They need you to straighten them out, Yetti. How racist is that?

We can learn things outside our own experience. We can see what's in front of us. I've spent over 15 years working in diversity training and teaching against oppression. It's amazing how strenuously many people will stand on their heads and twist themselves inside out to avoid reality.

Yetti is giving a perfect demonstration. She is allying herself with flagrantly, overtly racist politics, and at the same time screaming "Racist!" at you and me. That is either willful or pathological.

It depends if it was based on bare passes or higher marks? Logically, only a group with higher strength can oppress others who are weaker.

Well that's what we did to Margaret Thatcher ;]

From Time Magazine:

Tuesday, Oct. 02, 2007
Christianity's Image Problem
By David Van Biema

It used to be, says David Kinnaman, that Christianity was both big and beloved in the U.S. — even among its non-adherents. Back in 1996, a poll taken by Kinnaman's organization, the Barna Group, found that 83% of Americans identified themselves as Christians, and that fewer than 20% of non-Christians held an unfavorable view of Christianity. But, as Kinnaman puts it in his new book (co-authored with Gabe Lyons) UnChristian, "That was then."

Barna polls conducted between 2004 and this year, sampling 440 non-Christians (and a similar number of Christians) aged 16 to 29, found that 38% had a "bad impression" of present-day Christianity. "It's not a pretty picture" the authors write. Barna's clientele is made up primarily of evangelical groups.

Kinnaman says non-Christians' biggest complaints about the faith are not immediately theological: Jesus and the Bible get relatively good marks. Rather, he sees resentment as focused on perceived Christian attitudes. Nine out of ten outsiders found Christians too "anti-homosexual," and nearly as many perceived it as "hypocritical" and "judgmental." Seventy-five percent found it "too involved in politics."

Not only has the decline in non-Christians' regard for Christianity been severe, but Barna results also show a rapid increase in the number of people describing themselves as non-Christian. One reason may be that the study used a stricter definition of "Christian" that applied to only 73% of Americans. Still, Kinnaman claims that however defined, the number of non-Christians is growing with each succeeding generation: His study found that 23% of Americans over 61 were non-Christians; 27% among people ages 42-60; and 40% among 16-29 year olds. Younger Christians, he concludes, are therefore likely to live in an environment where two out of every five of their peers is not a Christian.

Churchgoers of the same age share several of the non-Christians' complaints about Christianity. For instance, 80% of the Christians polled picked "anti-homosexual" as a negative adjective describing Christianity today. And the view of 85% of non-Christians aged 16-29 that present day Christianity is "hypocritical — saying one thing doing another," was, in fact, shared by 52% of Christians of the same age. Fifty percent found their own faith "too involved in politics." Forty-four percent found it "confusing."

Christians have always been aware of image problems with non-believers. Says Kinnaman: "The question is whether to care." But given the increasing non-Christian population and the fact that many of the concerns raised by non-believers are shared by young Christians, he says, there really is no option but to address the crisis.

OH ? Just because you say so?Hmmm. My statements make total sense .  As for definition of racists and racism .. again I refer you to Star Parker's books and to Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.  Lets talk after you read their books.

Lets see you call Parker a Clown. A woman who is a mulimillionaire before 45?  Whose daughter is now head of her business? Hmmm That is sort of like calling Bill Gates a Clown.

Thomas Is only unqualified to you because you disagree with his veiw point.  What are your qualifications to say he is unqualified? Do you know where his law degree is from and his history.  He is the most popular justice with the clerks at the SUpreme Court and his opinions have been compared to the though process of Thomas Jefferson.. Another aspie

Clarence Thomas is the least qualified Supreme Court placement in living memory. He had only two "qualifications." 1) he was black, and it was politically necessary for Bush Sr. to replace Marshall with another black justice, and 2) he was a hard-core conservative. There were no qualified black conservatives (for self-evident reasons) so they appointed an unqualified stooge. As was the case his entire life, Thomas got ahead on the basis of race, then used his position to prevent other blacks from getting ahead.

Star Parker is a political prostitute who makes her money by trashing black people for white racist audiences and selling crappy books to racists like you.

These are your sources for your wisdom on racial matters? Please. You are the proof against your own argument. An anti-black black person will always find a place of reverence with anti-black white racists.

I care about the image problem.
Much of what the non-Christians hold against Christianity is what I heard from Dad and/or my brother.
Dad was particularly scared of what Christians might do, especially when they were into politics.

That is why I am convinced, Max, if the four Marshes (two living, two dead) were a country, we would have a healthy counterbalance to Christianity both culturally and especially politically.

I didn't much like the Christians I met in undergraduate school.  At least I had respect for my co-religionists at Marshall University, though I admit I did not have any problems with Christian women (or women) bothering me to distract me from my studies.  
1.  Flirting incident, November 18, 1994, across West Virginia, 330 miles of flirting from one Julie, classmate at both the undergradaute and graduate levels (albeit she was finishing an undergraduate when I was in grad school).
2.  Former graduate school classmate Rebecca Jude (then a Ph.D student someplace else, ,Jude looks like a lady she would correct me, woman) sent me a Valentine and a pair of ear muffs.  I also had a fascination with Jennifer "Good Golly Miss" Holley but no Valentine.

None of these were Christians.

I was all too willing to consider Christians as a potential source of trouble during my own troubles in my last half of undergraduate school.  I was also very willing to embrace Buddhist-flavored humanism as a superior philosophy for life's problems (that is where current and past Shepherd College employee-classmate Rachael Meads came in, Julie being one of the circle).  I had met them when I went to see one Rebecca from anthropology class one evening.

I had to hate Christians before I could respect them.

I respected them when I failed to dissuade a group of thirty-something Christians (parents, spouses, homeowners, taxpayers) from returning love for contempt and disdain.

I immediately wrote Rachael with my findings.  I found the revelation remarkable.

She advised me to take Christianity slow, trust my feelings "and don't let it destroy who you are"  She also mentioned having fallen in love with religion herself, but mentioned that hypocrisy is a heart breaker.

Yes it is.  I really expected something better out of Equally Yoked Christian Singles (when I was a single looking), and even though I wasn't looking at Marshall, it also bothers me how easily I slipped through three years with the fellowship without attracting attention.

It makes me feel like the ever-loving lousy *()# Stealth bomber.