Oh. Well, I guess that settles that!

Uh... the police visited you because of his behavior? I'm no fan of the police or of John Best, but... if the problem were his behavior, wouldn't the police visit him? You need to explain that one. Why did they visit you unless they had reason to see you as a problem?

-- oh, dear! Wait just a second. Let me put on my little tin hat and crawl into my fallout shelter. Okay. Much better. Proceed....

OH MY GOD, NO!!!! This reminds me of a terrible nightmare I had when I was a child. Hold me, Mommy! There was an earth quake, and a giant -- yes! A giant sock puppet arose from a rupture in the earths crust! He looked right at me, his button eyes aglow and he cried out "DELETE ALL VACCINES!!" I awoke screaming and - astonishingly -- my hair had turned quite white! I was six yeas old and my hair was white as snow. I continued to scream for several hours until my parents had me sedated. I was quite traumatized.

In other words, Timelord, what on earth are you talking about?

Not as long as I've got me tin hat on me head, and me little wooden sword beneath me pillow.

Hmmm... I should not impose my twisted view of the world on others? Damn,,, where's my Psychology 101 text book... glossary... glossary... AH HA! Here it is: Projection: Projection is one of the defense mechanisms identified by Freud and still acknowledged today. According to Freud, projection is when someone is threatened by or afraid of their own impulses so they attribute these impulses to someone else.

See, I gotta tell you, that just sounds crazy. Really. "I won't stand for it!"? Is that a threat?  How did you type that line with your little fists on your hips? Will my name be added to your Enemies List? Will your TARDIS appear in my kitchen and I'll find you sitting atop the fridge, shaking your fist at my cats, threatening to delete them?

Ah, and now as Sock Puppets and Satanists clutch each other in stark terror, a mighty alliance is born!

ROTFLMAO!

"No religious crap! You got it, Timelord!" GuessWho eagerly agreed setting his Homo-Killing-Death-Ray-Gun on Ready and wondering if his new friend Timelord had a lonely sister, "and you'll skip the paranoid delusions? Right? Right, Timelord? Hey! Hey, Timelord -- Why are you posting my name on your Enemies List? Does this mean we're not friends any more? What about your sister? Did you tell her I have a Masters Degree?"

You guys crack me up.

What was it Jonathan Swift said about "When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: ..." Hmmm.... how did that quotation end?

What came over you in the summer of 1992, GuessWho?

How did Christianity find you?

Well, some Aspies don't like changes (speaking for myself here, at least.)  I've gotten myself into a real rut because of this very quality, but I don't consider it an illness.  I see it as something that causes a lot of problems for me--problems most people I know don't have.

Should my words also be discredited as those of a sick man, rossco, because I'm about as inflexible a human being as you could imagine?

Well, I meant "mass destruction", but this i my favorite typo ever!!!

This could be the basis of a whole new theology!

Yes it IS real - and the sooner you show respect for that the better. My experience in life is different to yours and you flatly refuse to recognise the relevance of experience when it comes to being an Aspie.

So do I, so leave me alone!

The More AS disappointment article stays, and I have already explained why. It's a part of my personal history that I consider important. I don't give a crap what anyone thinks about it - it's the truth, and I refuse to remove the truth from my Wiki. The closure with Wilky starts with an apology from HER - not me. She copped it from me because of what SHE said. As long as she refuses to admit that and apologise I will not budge. If she did nothing wrong - then neither did I.

I am not ill. Aspergers is not an illness (thank you, Batman). And I will not be insulted like that because I WILL get closure. I already have respect in other quarters - much to your chagrin.

One thing I will not sacrifice is my principles - as I have explained. My strength is being me and being accepted as me. You won't do it, because you are biased towards my conduct in one limited area. I fight my battles in the way I see fit, and in the only way that makes sense to me. I have tried to adapt, but others like you limit those options by pushing me in directions that I know through experience that I can't go. That's what you refuse to accept.

You've got no idea, Rossco. Absolutely no idea. They will resolve. That is what I am fighting for - and I am certain things will improve (and you know this as a fellow Australian) with a change in Federal Government. The most important thing is getting the enquiry off the ground (you know the one). That's not worth fighting for?

I repeat, I am not ill. As long as you and Max don't understand that you have nothing useful to say to me.

Then LEAVE ME ALONE!

To answer Pikajedi's question it was the situation with Kurai-Gaka - I was accused of sexually pursuing her. Based on a comment on my Wiki which was taken deliberately out of context by Best.

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RIGHT.

Guesswho,Max,ignore lists. they are there,use 'em. i know i have gotten involved in this one,and i am aware this is hypocrisy,but i dont care.

Timelord: you did stop mentioning JB on every thread,and i dont know how it came up here.

Rossco,Wilky,again,the ignore list has a purpose.

i find it EXTREMELY ironic that this has happened,considering the thread title.

i would suggest you all ignore each others posts. WHAT is this infighting archiving?

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1.) it's achieving 2.) laugh at my picture damn it, what kinda friend are you Richard, for shame  

And yes I agree, it seems people indeed hate us because we're argumentative spineless pricks, can't say I blame them from what I've seen here.

***,thats Achieving,not archiving XD

We do not believe Jesus is hate. He is love He is protection He is salvation.

And when the end does come it is going to make a B-52 strike seem tame.

I'd be more comfortable with the idea that God the Father punishes, hates certain actions.  

But as for Jesus and I, saving people turns us on.  Not destroying them.

It has been said that Jesus gave His Father an excuse not to kill an awful lot of people. When you clean dirt with pure soap dirt flows away.  Jesus is so clean He makes sins go away.  Then you are neat and clean and you won't soil the floor in Heaven with sin like some kid done playing in the mud.

I think you have been against so-called Christians so long what the hell difference does it make if they really care about loving one another?

The good churches you talk about.  Is the real issue that they do not preach against gay living?

Yes, that divine inspiration comes from the top.  Not from in between or from the local distributor.  Unless they hate with malice, their crime is deferring to God the Father in all things.

They don't pass out hate at my church.
I am fundie, but I am not a gay hater.

What & where is this ' ignore list '?

Whatever. You preach hate in his name. Therefor, either he is hate or you are a blasphemer. Either way, i's your hate, your Jesus and your hell. Go ahead and burn in it. Nobody cares.

Another sick god=war metaphor. Do you actually talk that way with your fellow Christians? Are they similarly twisted in worship of death and destruction, or do they just look at you like you're crazy? One or the other.

Comfortable with  punishing, hating God? No, I think "comfortable" is a weak word. You love it. You wallow in it, in your sloppy one-man orgy of war and hate and destruction and hell and hate.

Okay, aside from the "Jesus and I" arrogance (and illiteracy,) and the creep-factor of you and Jesus getting "turned on" together,  do you think you're saving people? Do you think people are turning toward Christianity because of you? How wrong you are. If you are making Christianity repulsive to people, sending them away from Jesus -- and you are -- who are you serving? God or Satan?

That's good, Chris. That's perfect. I'm really glad you posted that. If anyone had any doubt of what an idiotic, pathological abortion of theology you ascribe to, I'd say that one quote clinches it.

I'm being honest here, Chris: I have been teaching English for 30 years , much of it to non-English speakers, and I can't make sense of that sentence. It's possible to imgine what you might mean, just as it's possible to look at ink blots and see butterflies, but gthe sentence as is simply makes no sense. Go back, think it through and try it again. I would love to respond to it.

Of all your self-revealing babblings of a bigoted ignoramus,  I like this one best!

This is the second time in two days that you've implied that the only thing I can be, the only thoughts I can have, the only understanding I can have, the only point of view I can have and the only values I can have are the gay thoughts, the gay understanding, the gay viewpoint and the gay values of a gay thing. You've said I have a gay life, that what I do is gay living. Now you're saying that the only thing I could possibly care about is how gay, gay, gay something is. That makes sense to you, doesn't it? What else could possibly matter to a gay thing.

Stop a minute and think about that. In your eyes, all I am, all I can be, all I can be seen as is a gay thing.

Search high and low, Chris. You will never see a more succinct picture of bigotry than your own mind. We'll talk later about how you wound up at such a pathetic and contemptible way of looking at the world.

But first lets go back to your insulting and stupid assertion that all I could possibly consider in my view of a church is (of course) "that they do not preach against gay living." We'll even pretend, for the moment, that using the term "gay living" doesn't make you sound like a fool.

IF you were capable of seeing me as anything other than just "the gay thing" you would, perhaps, piece together a little consciousness of who I am and what my values are. I know your church would disapprove, since I am just a one-dimensional non-human expression of Sin, not to be confused with a human being. But try, for a moment, to imagine that your brain is not entirely shackled and anesthetized with hate, delusion and nonsense, and imagine that you could see a gay thing as a human being. And further imagine that a "human being" is not, itself, something you despise out of fear, ignorance and the anti-human teachings in your false mockery of Christianity...

(You probably can't, and it was cruel of me to suggest you even try, but I'll carry on without you.)

There are things I care about, and they are not contradicted by a "good church."

I have dedicated my life -- or my gay life as you see it --to helping kids survive the rough world they were born into, helping them see themselves as individual treasures, helping them believe in themselves and see themselves as perfect just as they were born to be.

A good church does the same thing. In all your vomited up bible verses and orgiastic visions of God the Destroyer, I have never detected the remotest concern  for children. Not for the children we were, nor for the children who come after us. You speak occasionally of perhaps wanting to have a child in some abstract sense of ownership, subject to convenience, but kids appear to be of no concern in the war-manual of hate that you imagine the bible to be.

(And before you post a response that will make me want to slap your ratty mustache off, training up Little Soldiers for Christ is not a concern for children. Don't even go there.)

A good church does not inflict a patriarchal authoritarianism that makes children abusable objects and makes women inferior chattel. The bible you imagine to be the word of god does both, and your church has institutionalized that dehumanizing poison.

A good church is not bound by the ridiculous, crippling, indefensible, oppressive, and intellectually dishonest dogma of "scriptural inerrancy" that requires of its congregation both idiocy and hypocrisy. We need look no further than your many posts to see the tragic outcome of that sort of anti-thinking.

A good church realizes that the bible was written by flawed humans struggling to find their way toward something good and righteous. And they realize that struggle was not always successful and that some really f***ed up, destructive things got stuck in there. They don't   enshrine the ignorant racist, homophobic, misogynistic, hateful xenophobic, abusive, perverted crap in the bible, the way you do -- they don't even try to justify it. It was wrong; we know that now and we move on, taking with us what was good in the bible and trying to undo the harm done to this world by those (like you) who prefer the hateful and wrong-minded parts of it. The christians like you who comb through the bible for its most anti-human and hateful passages, and weave from that a perversion of everything Christ represents -- you are Satan's best little workers.

Erich says bad churches dwell on the abominations and insane laws of Deuteronomy, while ignoring Isaiah 61:1. Funny... Jesus quoted that one, (Luke 4:18-19) but I never hear anything like it from you, Chris. You have no use for the god in Hosea 11:8-9 -- the God who doesn't hate any more, who only loves. You have a masochistic yearning for a brutal, hateful comic-book villain of a god, mowing down heathens and ***s with the latest and most efficient military death-machines. Are you totally unfamiliar with Micah 4: 3-4? God wants an end to war. He wants peace. Only peace and eternal peace. He would be disgusted by your sick love of war and killing. Those are Satan's fantasies you're getting all hot and sweaty about and, dude, you are soooo going to hell. It's the Pharisees who were full of violence and evil. Fools, I believe Jesus called them. He told them to give their food to the poor. Let's just say there's sufficient evidence to conclude that's not what you're doing with your food.

A good church welcomes. And "welcome" does not mean a hypocritical patina of "tolerance" that covers a toxic-waste-dump of racism, classism, sexism, homophobia, anti-semitism and right-wing theocratic bigotry.

A good church extends love, authentic love without judgement -- that is the message, rather than preaching the violently war-like and destructive crap in your threads and in the perverted "Left Behind" books that were specifically and successfully designed to generate hate, fear, lots of money and theocratic fascism.

Yeah, yeah, you may sleep-read through Luke 6: 27-31 and pretend you believe it, but it's not what you practice... and as noted theologian Ziyaret said in another thread "actions speak louder than words." Hundreds and hundreds of people dying in New Orleans, thousands homeless, and families torn apart -- and as they died the Baptists were spending tens of millions of dollars to write discrimination into the Constitution, elect more Republicans,  and support an illegal invasion of a country that did us no harm.

I send my monthly Katrina relief money to the Unitarian Church, thank you. I know they're not stealing it to fund another hate-monger's election campaign. I know the Unitarians don't turn away because, well, who really cares if poor people and negroes die anyway? Jesus was all about helping the poor, again and again and again ( Luke 18: 18, 22) That was his big agenda. You know this. You know it, and you willfully ignore it. To hear the Fundies talk and to read their propaganda and to check their flow of obscene riches, you'd think Jesus spent his whole life screaming about how much he hated ***s. What a perversion of his life and his teachings. Look around your church. Look at the building itself, look at the decoration and design. Look at the clothes the good christians are wearing. Look in the parking lot.  

You have never in your life met a so-called christian with the courage, guts and humility to live an authentic christian life, not even remotely like the life Christ commanded. Because it would mean giving up the good stuff that is their true object of worship.

So ... does your church spend its time in serious contemplation of their abject failure -- no, their determined refusal -- to follow Christ's teaching?

Hell, no. They absolutely do not.  Rigorous self-examination in the harsh light of Christ's truth? F*** that. Who really cares anyway?  It's sooo much more fun to focus on other people's sins.  Does that make us hypocrites? Hell, yes, but who really cares anyway? It's not as if Jesus ever said anything about hypocrites. Right? He was cool with hypocrisy, right? It was fags he mostly talked about, right? fags? Yeah, that's it. Good Ol' Jesus -- he sure did hate them fags ! He would be so proud of us if he could see how much time, energy and money we put into hating fags.

Chris, if you have a brain in your head, you know why your phony christian comrades make such a big deal about the Sins of Sodom. Because the bunch of hypocrites are only eager to condemn sins that they themselves don't enjoy. They don't want to have sex with the same sex! (well, many of them do, but we'll talk about that another time.) How convenient! The big number one sin of all time (even though Jesus never even mentioned it) is BEING A FAG!

Greed? Hell, no, that's okay, because we are lousy with greed.

Hypocrisy? Well, no, we don't want to look too closely at that one because we're enjoying the hell out of being hypocrites.

Lust? Aw, hell no. i luuuuuv me some lust!

Wrath? Not if it means I can't slap the wife and kids around when they piss me off.

Envy?

Pride?

Sloth?

Gluttony? ...Well, I'll leave that one to you, Chris. Why are you all over this forum day in and day out with the god hates fags stuff when you could be telling us again and again, with much more authority, about the sin of gluttony? Why is that? Because  hypocrites are only eager to condemn sins that they themselves don't enjoy.


So there's the tip of an iceberg for you, pal. You want to know what I mean when I talk about "good churches" and "bad churches" or do you just want to tell me what I mean -- that all in the wide green world I know about or care about is that gay stuff. And that, ignorant gay heathen that I am, I don't know enough about christianity to open my mouth in the presence of a theological genius who says brilliant stuff like "Jesus gave His Father an excuse not to kill an awful lot of people."

You need to realize something, Chris. As you barricade yourself deeper and deeper in the bunker of lies, hypocrisy and propaganda that you have bizarrely and blasphemously mistaken for "christianity," you are required to shut down your capacity for honesty, for critical thinking and for authentic spirituality.

Every minute you spend with a head full of this garbage, you become stupider and more remote from this world and the next one. Over the months, your posts reveal the deterioration of your "thinking." That's the mortgage you're paying on your fantasy fort where you hide and wait who a hateful god who lusts to kill and punish and destroy. It is a debilitating mental illnes that you have inflicted upon yourself.

Christ would free you from it. That's the horrible, humorless irony of it all. Christ would free you from the hateful, brain-killing, spirit-shrinking, soul-crushing, life-destroying pathology that you have chosen out of deluded desperation. But you wouldn't know Christ if he walked in right now and, with a stigmatic hand, knocked that cheeseburger out of your mouth and across the room.

So, Chris. Your policy is that you can come in and dump all the hate you want on gay people as long as you call it "The Truth." Fine. I can take it. I've dealt with idiots and gay-bashers and bigots all my life.

But you need to have the balls to read my posts, too. Not hide like a gutless, brainless coward the way you did when I posted the facts about what your church has done to gay people -- and you refused six times to read, or think, or respond.

If you want to talk about "the truth" about me, you need to hear the truth about you.

Indeed...

Yes, I too wonder where all the fundie religious people were when all those people were drowning in New Orleans?

Guess Who, please prick the bubble of pomposity and ignorance that you are living in because it is seriously blinkering you to the reality of God as a God of love.

I would have no respect for a God who only exists to destroy and smite down people for the least little infraction or difference. He would be a cosmic enforcer rather than a God of love.

Can you see that while you drivel on about all this "Christian" stuff, you are actually slipping further and further away from what Christ's message really was? This is where I have to agree with Max's points but unfortunately I don't have the same descriptive skills as he does.

GuessWho, you still have a slim window of opportunity to avoid becoming a boring old fart but gee you'd better hurry - it won't be long now if you don't act soon.

It's in the User CP area, WfM. The trouble is it only works to prevent people from PMing you. If this board was a VBulletin board the ignore list would also include posts from an ignored person also - except for mods and admins.

Aha, got it, but why bother when one can deny receipt?