so.. I take this as a NO, you won't stop?

Take it as a yes, Mahler5.  

All I want is
1.  Be cleared of any animosity regarding gay people
2.  Maybe help you all understand that Christianity ain't what you think.  We actually condemn hatred.  Are you receiving this?

GuessWho, what the @ is a R A?  I still don't think somebody who's pro-abortion can be considered a good christian. Sorry, but a good christian has compassion for even the weakest and most defenceless human being and what could be more defenceless than an unborn child?

I also have to agree with Max that your meanderings are getting tedious and make you come across to readers as a pompous bag of hot air. You say that my message comes across loud and clear but then you just ignore it.

It's probably too late - you must be as set in your ways as if you'd had concrete poured all over you! I also detect a distinct note of condescension towards gays. I have learnt a lot from what Max has said in his posts and think he has many worthwhile things to say about life.

I also have said before that you CANNOT say you've been saved! You CAN say you were converted but until you die, you will NOT know where you will go in the afterlife (assuming one exists).

Ian,you made me laugh.good job

Kurai-Gaka Wrote:

That post was hilarious! Best read of the day! And sooo true! Kirby is such a paranoid emo

Kirby: "Nobody UNDERSTAAANDS MEEEEEEEEE!!! Aspies are just FREEAAAAKS!!!!! They aren't REAAALLL autistics!!!!!! Autism is just....er-um....mercury, no, pollution, no- AILIENS STOLE OUR CHILDREN!!!...........I bleed black...."

Sorry if that seemed pretty harsh but that's the impression I get from the guy.

....where did THIS come from??

Not completely sure where the exact words come from, but I'm guessing that the above relates to the original topic of this thread (see first post) about some things I read online that were very negative about AS and autism and that I personally found upsetting as I couldn't understand what could motivate such negative views towards the autistic community.

People hate what they cannot understand, that's why we are hated.

I am not hated. Everyone....LOVES.....Rossco.

No I am not serious. LOL

An R.A. is either a Resident or Residence Advisor or Assistant.  Shepherd called them residence assistants.

The people who try to keep order in the dorms, the noise down, keep harmony.  In Shepherd's case very emotionally and socially mature and often high awards (Rachael had McMurran Scholar, or the Shepherd equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor)
It probably does not surprise anyone she is employed there 15 years later.

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I don't feel like a monster but I am concerned that I was treated as one, even worried I might actually be one.

Did the other ogres think Shrek was a monster too?  I misunderstood my own dad.  He seemed so lacking in graces he could be mistaken for one, heartless.

CJ, about knowing you are saved, Christianity says you are, and you have to believe that you are saved.  It is also necessary to let believing you are saved change your life for the better (and love other people).  

I have opposed legal efforts to take people's rights away.  That is not my idea of civilization.

Pompous, I think you're right.  But I am aware of no malice.  Condescending means to "assume an air of superiority".  Yes that is wrong.  One is supposed to have humility and love.

I wonder why people might sound hateful when they think they are not.  Two possibilities:
1.  They might say the party line but not really agree with it.  I don't like that certain part of Christianity nor did I relish ignoring Julie (from the Rebecca group) after she flirted with me en route to Rachael's wedding.  Julie either didn't believe in Jesus or kept it a hell of a secret (which is not good either).  Recently I figured out I did that for Jesus.  I don't want Him to be a failure in my personal life.  It is a motivation to keep waiting just in case He does, because if I admit defeat, surrender, and end up with some nice other Julie or Martha, it would make me very sad to think He failed me.  It is the difference between A. Jesus really came through for me again and B. Darn it Jesus didn't care, and it is going to leave a terrible taste in my mouth for the rest of my life.
2.  It is like alcoholism. Unconscious.

2.  

"Christianity says..." WOW! What an arrogant, pompous, condescending thing to say! Listen up, CJ -- you cannot possibly know anything until Chris, the official Spokes-blowhard for all of Christianity, the Hillbilly Prophet from Hicksville, West Virginia, TELLS you.

Of course you're not. You never are. Put it on the miles-long list of your failings in self-awareness.

And yet you couldn't even respond to CJ without talking down to her as if you were the very voice of God. How condescending is it to define the word "condescending" for her, after she has used it with 100% accuracy? I found that hilarious... and grotesque.

Not in your Christianity, Chris. Your Christianity is all about hate and war and destruction and condemnation. You know nothing about the "love and humility" brand of Christianity -- which stems from a guy named Jesus Christ, about whom you also know nothing.

I have never seen love and humility in your posts, Chris. You have no humility. You have shame and self-loathing, but that's not what humility means.

You have arrogance. Tons of it. No one knows anything about religion -- only you. No religion is right except yours. The women who would be willing to date you are not good enough for you -- you've cataloged their failings and your resume of superiority time and time again. How dare a black woman get a job that you were entitled to (in your own mind.)  We've heard that story before, too. How many times? And always with the irrelevant fact of her race prominently featured, just so we'll know you're a racist like the worst of your home-grown Dixie Land bigots.

And how many times have you demonstrated the ultimate arrogance -- that Jesus Christ Himself -- who [i]never said a word about gay people[/i] -- was much your inferior, because you would do his job for him and do it better -- condemning and excoriating people against whom Christ never said a word.

You know about humiliation, but you know nothing about humility.

As for love, I've never seen any indication of it. You are aware of people who have done things for you, and you are aware that there are things you want to get from people -- if those people are good enough for you, which they usually are not (in your totally unchristian judgementalism.) But those things have nothing to do with love -- certainly not in any Christian sense, to which they are anathema. Those are just manifestations of good-ol' me-gimmee-mine egotism and self-centeredness. Now that's something you have in great excess.

Gee, Chris -- are you enjoying this "Let's tell the truth with no regard and no respect for other people's feelings and rights" game that you initiated and you insist on playing?

Remember -- you can get Extra Points if you can present a case that anything I said here is not true.

Actually I am from Maryland.  The WV years were when Dad stopped working for a living.

Why would a homophobe vote against a Virginia amendment referendum intended to disparage the rights of unmarried Virginians living together?

Just because I was pompous, maybe a little arrogant, offended one GS-13 in 1998 does not make me a racist card carrying member of the KKK.  Thank about it for a minute.

Any religion is good enough to get you through life.  But I am concerned about my afterlife.

Let's not debate the subject any more.  Just realize I don't agree with some parts of the Party Line, OK?  I am entitled to an opinion even if it isn't God's opinion.  As if it matters, it doesn't, but I hope you feel better.

I hope you know we're a bunch of Yankees.  Dad, Wisconsin, Mom, Michigan.  My job brought me into the former Confederate States of America for the first time in my life.  Call me a carpetbagger.

Call me a Democrat.  I did adopt the Jimmy Carter politics of Mom and Dad.    

Pomp and arrogance are a crime but they don't make me guilty of hatred that I am aware of.  If I was a hater and aware of hatred I would have voted my prejudice, not my conscience.

Exactly which Christians do you refer to in your rebuttals?
1.  50 specific individuals at a church in Arlington VA
2.  The vast majority of self-identified Christians in the USA (maybe 85-90% of 300 million)?

You've been eating half truths fed to you by a bunch of malicious hypocrites for decades.
  
My motivation to engage you in debate was primarily to defend my reputation, not to hurt anyone.  I don't want to hurt anyone else and I am dropping the debate, trying to stick to the issue that matters: who I am, what I really think, what I really do, and in what context I said what I wrote.

I don't think Mom and Pop raised a hater.  Really.  Dad tried to talk me out of Jesus.  He thought the likes of Ralph Reed smelt too much like Hitler.  Well, I agree with Dad on that one.

Although I know that's a copy-and-paste statement and you have no idea what you're talking about, please explain (and you can feel free to copy off of a "Hate in the Name of Jesus" propaganda site if you are totally incapable of independent thought)

1. What are these half-truths?

2. In what sense have I been "fed" them?

3. Who are these malicious hypocrites?

So far, no points for you. Why do you insist on playing the "truth" game? You're really no good at it.

*** me ragged.

could you like, argue in pm or something?

I'm starting to think people are right, the world is full of barbarians.

Ian

It always is when religion is involved, Ian. I mean - what is at the heart of virtually every war in the history of the human race?

Religion.

I think this argument is worse for the board than the other one (with me on one side and others who I won't name - they know who they are - on the other). Max AND Guess Who - please take this to PM.

If this continues I recommend this thread be locked.

I have no interest in the Hate in the Name of Jesus Web site and I take offense to your suggestion that I would.

You know as well as I that it is easy for any blasted jerk to call himself or herself any religion he or she wants and tell you only the religion he or she wants you to hear.

Forgive me, I am trying to phrase this without generating offense, but I think what the hate mongers say about what God thinks about some behavior is no darn secret.

If they were honest they would tell you that they are no better because they wish you psychological harm, and wishing psychological harm on your brother is hate, and hate is suicide for a true Christian.

HATE IS SUICIDE.

Got that?

And they would also have to tell you that coercing everybody not to do (some things) is of NO VALUE because what difference does it make if unforgiven people are a little naughty or a lot naughty?  There is no valid point in simply scaring everyone into obedience on something like gay rights.  It would be like winning a battle and losing the damn war.

They would also have to tell you that the name of the game is saving people from Satan, not making them keep zippers zipped.
They would also have to tell you that everybody messes up and nobody can earn Heaven anyway.
They would also have to tell you that (forgive me again) by seeking forgiveness in Jesus is the only way to go to Heaven (forgive me, i.e., avoid hell)

But nooooooo.  They don't really care about you.  They hate you.  They would actually have to LOVE you to tell you the rest of the story.

A half truth is very dangerous.  A LITTLE knowledge is a DANGEROUS thing.

Case in point.  I used to worry about ze draft, never mind we never had one since 1973.  A year ago I read military enlistment standards on about.com.  I am disqualified because of sleep apnea.  I cannot enlist.  Ergo, I cannot be drafted (at least not until all the eligible dudes are dead)

The truth sets a person free.  

Next time you run into some foul mouth hate monger pseudo-Christian, remember what I said, maybe tell him that real Christians who actually read the Bible once or twice or three times say he is wrong, and in danger of forfeiting his eternal life.  Maybe offer to help him learn to read.

And please try to remember that I want no part of his problem.  I have peace and he doesn't.  Peaceful people just want to get along and maybe once in a while step on a few half truths.  

That is the other reason I wanted you to know this.  I don't think you really know those "Christians" are wrong.  Their own co-religionists ask them to repent.

I ALSO didn't want you to live the rest of your life thinking the half truth was the whole story.