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Max the Bear
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"Gut Feelings": Is it an NT thing?
Interesting piece on intuitive "gut feelings" -- how well does this apply to AS and NT folks here? Is it an NT thing, or do Aspies also experience what is being described here? Is it experienced differently?
Through Analysis, Gut Reaction Gains Credibility
By CLAUDIA DREIFUS
Two years ago, when Malcolm Gladwell published his best-selling Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking, readers throughout the world were introduced to the ideas of Gerd Gigerenzer, a German social psychologist.
Dr. Gigerenzer, the director of the Max Planck Institute for Human Development in Berlin, is known in social science circles for his breakthrough studies on the nature of intuitive thinking. Before his research, this was a topic often dismissed as crazed superstition. Dr. Gigerenzer, 59, was able to show how aspects of intuition work and how ordinary people successfully use it in modern life.
And now he has written his own book, Gut Feelings: The Intelligence of the Unconscious, which he hopes will sell as well as Blink. I liked Gladwells book, Dr. Gigerenzer said during a visit to New York City last month. Hes popularized the issue, including my research.
Q: O.K., lets start with basics: what is a gut feeling?
A: Its a judgment that is fast. It comes quickly into a persons consciousness. The person doesnt know why they have this feeling. Yet, this is strong enough to make an individual act on it. What a gut instinct is not is a calculation. You do not fully know where it comes from.
My research indicates that gut feelings are based on simple rules of thumb, what we psychologists term heuristics. These take advantage of certain capacities of the brain that have come down to us through time, experience and evolution. Gut instincts often rely on simple cues in the environment. In most situations, when people use their instincts, they are heeding these cues and ignoring other unnecessary information.
Q: In modern society, gut thinking has a bad reputation. Why is that?
A: It is not thought to be rational. One of the founders of your country, Benjamin Franklin, suggested to his nephew that when he made important life decisions, he should do it like a bookkeeper list all the pros and cons and then make the decision, after weighing everything. That is the classical rational approach.
Q: I make my decisions that way. Whats wrong with it?
A: In some situations, that demands too much information. Plus, its slow. When a person relies on their gut feelings and uses the instinctual rule of thumb go with your first best feeling and ignore everything else, it can permit them to outperform the most complex calculations.
In the 1990s, I was living in Chicago, where there are high dropout rates from the high schools. People often asked, Is there a way to know which school has the lowest dropout rate? There existed data measuring different cues of school performance: the pay of teachers, the number of English-speaking students in a class, things like that.
I wondered: could one feed these into a computer, analyze them and obtain a prediction on which high school produced the fewest dropouts? We did that. And we were astonished to find that computer-based versions of Franklins bookkeeping method a program that weighed 18 different cues proved less accurate than going with the rule of thumb of get one good reason and ignore the rest of the information.
Q: What was the one good reason that got you the right answer?
A: Knowing which school had high daily attendance rates. If two schools had the same attendance levels, you needed one more cue good writing scores and then you could ignore the rest.
Q: You are the author of a famous study on how people use instinct in investing. Why this topic?
A: Because intuition often underlies stock picking. Ordinary investors will frequently pick a company theyve heard of before. We call this the recognition heuristic, and it basically means go with what you know. I was curious: is this effective? In the 1990s, we interviewed 360 pedestrians in Chicago and Munich. We asked if they were familiar with the names of German and American corporations traded on the stock exchange. Using the names of the most frequently recognized companies, we then made up investment portfolios.
After six months, the high-recognition portfolios, on average, gained more value than the Dow and DAX markets and some big-name mutual funds. The high-recognition portfolios did better than a portfolio we created from randomly picked stocks and another made up of low-recognition stocks. Over the years, weve repeated this experiment twice, in different ways. Each time, the intuitive wisdom of the semi-ignorant outperformed the calculations of the experts.
Q: Have you considered going to your pedestrians for investment advice?
A: Yes! I did that once. I invested $50,000 in high-recognition stocks picked by the least stock-savvy group we studied, those German pedestrians. Their portfolio went up 47 percent in six months, as opposed to the 34 percent gains made by the German stock market as a whole. This was during a bull market.
Q: Where can gut instincts fail?
A: Heres an example: after 9/11, many Americans stopped traveling in airplanes and drove on highways instead. I looked at the data, and it turned out that in the year after the attacks, highway fatalities increased by an estimated 1,500 people. They had listened to their fear, and so more died on the road. These kinds of fatalities are easily avoided. But psychology is not taken very seriously by governments. Most of the research about how to combat terrorism is about technology and bureaucracy homeland security. In this case, educating the public about their own gut reactions could have saved lives.
Q: Some of your critics say that gut instincts just arent scientific. Whats your answer?
A: We study these things, where intuition is good and where its not. One should also not overlook that in science itself, you need intuitions. All successful research scientists function, to a degree, on gut instincts. They must make leaps, whether they have all the data or not. And at a certain moment, having the data doesnt help them, but they still must know what to do. Thats when instinct comes in.
Q: Do you think of yourself as intuitive or rational?
A: Both. In my scientific work, I have hunches. I cant explain always why I think a certain path is the right way, but I need to trust it and go ahead. I also have the ability to check these hunches and find out what they are about. Thats the science part. Now, in private life, I rely on instinct. For instance, when I first met my wife, I didnt do computations. Nor did she.
Q: Shakespeares Hamlet is about a young man who doesnt respond to his first best instinct, which is to avenge his fathers murder by killing his uncle. If Hamlet had listened to his gut, how would the play be different?
A: This is not a scientific kind of question. But the play would have been shorter and probably fewer people would have been killed.
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This was interesting.
To answer your question, I rely on my intuitions all the time. It's just the normal thing for me to do, I think.
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RE: "Gut Feelings": Is it an NT thing?
I can't really speak for all Aspies, but I think that technically, ALL people have some sort of gut intinct. A major trait for Aspies/Auties is that we lack SOCIAL instincts ( so we have to use knowledge and past experince, if we have them, to compensate). We probably still have gut feelings for other situations, though.
As for myself (and as I gather, a lot of other Aspies), I probably don't use my gut instinct that much in everyday life, since I'm a "bookkeeper" sort of person - I prefer to have all/most of the facts before I make a decision.
A phrase I like and live by: "Live and Let live". Don't hurt or scorn others simply for being who they are.
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Not that I don't EVER follow my gut - though I'm ot really sure how much I actually use it. I'd like to be a bit less shy aout my orientation, for instance, but I'm always a worried about how people will react. I don't know if my gut is helping or hindering me here (it may well be what's holding me back, but you never know...)
A phrase I like and live by: "Live and Let live". Don't hurt or scorn others simply for being who they are.
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RE: "Gut Feelings": Is it an NT thing?
The doctor guy (too lazy to scroll) seems to be seperating two things I consider one:
When I make a decision I make a "gut instinct". But that instinct is based off my perception of the book-keepers list... Not that I actually write out a list... but at some point I say to myself, "I think this isn't such a good idea... I have a gut feeling that I shouldn't jump off this bridge..." but that feeling is based off of rational thoughts, I think.
And I think that whole stock thing is kind of dumb... at least from my perspective on investing. If Joe Blow is walking down the street and has some brands floating around in his head, usually a lot of other people are thinking about those same brands. If they are thinking about it they may make a purchasing decision towards that end and bring that stock up... I don't think that's gut instinct... I think that's advertising/branding.
Actually, most of those arguments seem rather stacked...
I personally have never met someone who relied on their gut feelings that was ever correct about them. My old boss would always tout that she had a gut feeling that a new hire was, "the one" and that person would quit within the week... but then again she was just plain crazy...
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I rely on intuition quite a lot & often found in my job that gut feeling was the right answer to a problem or an unusual event.
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I have tendency toward a certain type of "gut feeling" that is a bit odd. I'll come across something and a sense of need will come over me, even though rationally I know I have no current need for that item at all. Sure enough, almost every time, a circumstance arises in the next day or two wherein I find I need that very object, whatever it was. I find it saves a lot of future effort if I just heed my intuition when it hits. Mom
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RE: "Gut Feelings": Is it an NT thing?
I have tendency toward a certain type of "gut feeling" that is a bit odd. I'll come across something and a sense of need will come over me, even though rationally I know I have no current need for that item at all. Sure enough, almost every time, a circumstance arises in the next day or two wherein I find I need that very object, whatever it was. I find it saves a lot of future effort if I just heed my intuition when it hits. Mom
Yes I have that also & to my cost ignored it the other day, then didn't I need one that very night !!
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RE: "Gut Feelings": Is it an NT thing?
I've always used a process I call "empathematics", which is pretty similar to the "gut feeling". Basically I invent a virtual box in my head which I label my "High-speed processing centre". Then I take all the info about a decision and throw it into this box. Then I imagine myself shaking the box around, opening it, and taking out an end "decision".
These days the process is so quick that I barely realise I'm doing it.
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RE: "Gut Feelings": Is it an NT thing?
It's a term often used by seasoned homicide detective's.
I would describe it as "a feeling that all things suddenly add up; order replace chaos."
Gut Fred! Jawohl!
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& no! It's not a thing that only neuro typicals do.
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RE: "Gut Feelings": Is it an NT thing?
I rely on gut feelings at work and act, but instinct isn't enough - I like to check literature (usually the internet) to have some reliable information to back up gut feelings.
Sometimes I want to use a word that I have an instinct is the right word for what I want to say, but usually I will check before using the word when writing. Always my gut feelings in these situations are right. At work - when I go to literature - it turns our my instincts are reliable - but I will always continue to check.
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I rely on my gut feeling, but my gut feeling is usualy negative. If something doesn't seem to be right, I wont go on with it. Hardly ever does my gut feeling say "You should do this" unless if I am doing something I am familiar with, like Star Craft. My gut says "Get lots of marines, and goliaths, and throw in some battle cruisers," " Nuke the little A-holes" Then I do it
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My feeling is that intuitive thinking is using and relying on the sub conscious. We need to have experienced or heard information before and that helps us to draw conclusions. So rather than saying intuitive thinking relies on the unconscious - It would be more accurate to say it relies on the sub-conscious.
"Determination gives you the resolve to keep going in spite of the roadblocks that lay before you."
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