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1. Autistic People Rarely Lie

I find this very difficult to do. Lying requires subtlety and an ability to misrepresent yourself. There is nothing overly subtle about me. I am as subtle as a sledgehammer. This is honest but I have found not in any way a trait that is always productive, respectable or even nice. It is all about context.

2. People on the Autism Spectrum Live in the Moment

If you mean focusing intently on interests tenaciously and doggedly then yes. If you mean being oblivious to the future or past, then no. Both scare hell out of me and I do constantly work to structure my life to give me security, stability and protection from anything that may disrupt my "present".

3. People with Autism Rarely Judge Others
No I do. I have my own morality that I live my life by. I do view very negatively those who transgress these boundaries. At the same time I do accept diversity of thought, culture and belief. If people are not thrusting issues down my throat or claiming opinion as fact, I don't care. I do believe that unity is stronger than division.

4. Autistic People are Passionate

Absolutely. See an autistic person work in the safe confines of their interest. Passion to the nth extreme. I have yet to see that amount of passion and joy elsewhere.

5. People with Autism Are Not Tied to Social Expectations

No they are not. They are often completely oblivious to expectation or instrinct, instinctual societal conventions, cues and norms. Many of us strive for an understanding and integration anyhow.

6. People with Autism Have Terrific Memories
I have a fantastic memory. I memorise facts and conversations and surprise many NT people I know. I doubt I would be a big surprise amoungst other HFA's but do impress in the circle of NT's that I know.

7. Autistic People Are Less Materialistic

Definate yes for me here

8. Autistic People Play Fewer Head Games

(See the point about being truthful). You will probably see the next punch from me well before I throw it (figuratively speaking - ie you will know you have been hit and how but it won't be a sneak attack).

9. Autistic People Have Fewer Hidden Agendas

See above.

10. People with Autism Open New Doors for Neurotypicals

The great hope isn't it. I hope we do. I hope in our own way we put out there more positive than negative into the general populace. I know that my NT friends are happier for knowing me and do consider the effects my autism and it's tendencies may have on me and life and are happy to take a positive view on me irrespectively (and on autism and HFA irrespectively).

08-27-2007 12:51 PM
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One conundrum.  
The Asperger tolerance is strong.  At around age 20 it hit me working at my telemarketing job one weekend, summer 1990, bam, you know, it would be a good idea to have gay marriage and other rights.  Age 8, CBS In The News on Saturday morning, discussed the KKK, I was won over to African American rights straight away.   I said it before: I think the gays and the Aspergians have much in common and could be natural allies.

However, there is no way I can read the Holy Scriptures and miss the condemnation of respective behaviors.  The Bible might as well as been written by a judge or a lawyer.  I noticed the five books of Moses and legalism straight away when I started reading the Bible at age 12.


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However, there is no way I can read the Holy Scriptures and miss the condemnation of respective behaviors.  The Bible might as well as been written by a judge or a lawyer.  I noticed the five books of Moses and legalism straight away when I started reading the Bible at age 12.


GuessWho, what would it take for you to just shut the hell up about your god hating gay people?

You've said it on this forum a thousand times. You haven't added anything new, interesting or rational in the last 999 posts.

What is your obsession? Why are you compelled to keep babbling about it? Have you seen anyone posting, "hey, GuessWho, could you please repeat your god-hates-gays speech? I missed it the first 1,000 times."

What do you need or want that is somehow satisfied by posting endlessly about this? I'm sick of reading it and I'm sick of responding to it, but I feel I have to defend my people against your hateful nonsense.

What would it take for you to just stop it?

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GuessWho Wrote:

However, there is no way I can read the Holy Scriptures and miss the condemnation of respective behaviors.  The Bible might as well as been written by a judge or a lawyer.  I noticed the five books of Moses and legalism straight away when I started reading the Bible at age 12.


What would it take for you to just stop it?


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GuessWho, what would it take for you to just shut the hell up about your god hating gay people?

You've said it on this forum a thousand times. You haven't added anything new, interesting or rational in the last 999 posts.


A bit of an overstatement, don't you think?  That would mean he hasn't said anything noteworthy in any of his posts!

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rossco Wrote:
1. Autistic People Rarely Lie

I find this very difficult to do. Lying requires subtlety and an ability to misrepresent yourself. There is nothing overly subtle about me. I am as subtle as a sledgehammer. This is honest but I have found not in any way a trait that is always productive, respectable or even nice. It is all about context.


Actually I learned to become a very skilled liar by the time I was 21 or so, I hope this doesn't mean I couldn't be on the spectrum.

The reason I learned to lie so effectively is because I just really hated criticism, from anyone, that much.  So I said what everyone "expected" to hear, to get me through without friction.  And it seemed to work, for a while anyway.

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Batman55 Wrote:

rossco Wrote:
1. Autistic People Rarely Lie

I find this very difficult to do. Lying requires subtlety and an ability to misrepresent yourself. There is nothing overly subtle about me. I am as subtle as a sledgehammer. This is honest but I have found not in any way a trait that is always productive, respectable or even nice. It is all about context.


Actually I learned to become a very skilled liar by the time I was 21 or so, I hope this doesn't mean I couldn't be on the spectrum.


I wouldn't say so. We are all different.

I'm generally alright at lying too, but don't do so very often (although I did go through a bit of a "liar, liar" phase as a teenager.) I'm wondering -- you said "by the time I was 21". Does this mean that aspies learn to lie at a later time than other people?

Studies show that people lie mostly to avoid punishment, and criticism is punishment. This is my primary motive too when I lie, because I cannot stand the punishment / criticism that comes with being very honest.

An afterthought. People say "you can be honest with me" and stuff like that, but they generally don't really mean it.


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Batman55 Wrote:

Max the Bear Wrote:
GuessWho, what would it take for you to just shut the hell up about your god hating gay people?

You've said it on this forum a thousand times. You haven't added anything new, interesting or rational in the last 999 posts.


A bit of an overstatement, don't you think?  That would mean he hasn't said anything noteworthy in any of his posts!


*grins* Well, he's only up to 991 posts - it just means 8 of them were double-unnoteworthy...

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Max the Bear Wrote:

GuessWho Wrote:

However, there is no way I can read the Holy Scriptures and miss the condemnation of respective behaviors.  The Bible might as well as been written by a judge or a lawyer.  I noticed the five books of Moses and legalism straight away when I started reading the Bible at age 12.


GuessWho, what would it take for you to just shut the hell up about your god hating gay people?

You've said it on this forum a thousand times. You haven't added anything new, interesting or rational in the last 999 posts.

What is your obsession? Why are you compelled to keep babbling about it? Have you seen anyone posting, "hey, GuessWho, could you please repeat your god-hates-gays speech? I missed it the first 1,000 times."

What do you need or want that is somehow satisfied by posting endlessly about this? I'm sick of reading it and I'm sick of responding to it, but I feel I have to defend my people against your hateful nonsense.

What would it take for you to just stop it?


Bloody Hell! Is Guess Who still spewing his God Almighty crap?
You have all forced your version of Christianity, God and Jesus on us Guess Who. This is mine:

strange little Jewish man was born about 2000 years ago in simpler times in a society of Jewish people oppressed by Romans. They were keen for a revolutionary figure or hero to go up against the Romans. Unfortunately because of the oppressed climate, such figures going against the oppressor in voilent or subversive tactics usually didn't find they had time to build any group of followers to lead in their voilent retaliatory measures because they would be killed by the Romans, before such revolution could bear fruit.
Enter Jesus. Charismatic to be sure (perhaps more so than other such notably charismatic indivuals in history - Gandhi, Malcolm X, David Khoresh, Charles Manson, Hitler) and spouted philosphies which were kindly, passionate, sensible and a little different, but most importantly harmless. Romans weren't even bothered with him. He attracted a lot of people though who saw someone who was fast attracting followers and yet flying under the radar with his non-confrontational speeches. The inevitable happened. Too many followers, regardless of his philosophies - threat. The Romans had him executed. He became a martyr.
Irrespective of his delusional disposition (Son of God...right!) he was a nice bloke and obviously didn't deserve to die, so his guilt-riddled, wine-swilling, passionate followers took up where he left off spreading "the word" and wrote some incredible books of fantastic fablesque stories and fancible pre-era tales. I believe they collated this into a book called the bible.
Out spread Christianity like a virus consuming many old and worn out religion and challenging others.
Why was it popular. My theory (truth or opinion) is that it is a funny kind of religion kinda like a protection racket. Saying "You are a good person you should believe in us. We have nice, wholesome values....of course if you don't you will never get into heaven when you die and you will spend an eternity burning in a hell of nightmare proprtions"
So the Holy Crusades and the slaughters that followed, The witch hunts in Salem and England (where unusual people like us were burnt on stakes), the condoning of beating children with rods (least they be spoilt), forcibly removing children from native populations from their homes into missionaries to teach them about a foreign god, turning a blind eye to child physical and sexual abuse in Christian run boarding schools - by Christian priests (My Father went to one and was ****** up, and became a violent man towards me for his experiences), The religion that happily turns their back on you if you are an unwed mother, have an abortion, happen to be gay, or are so that depressed that you suicide (straight to hell right?)all sanctioned at one or at the present time by this beautiful religion.
Straight after this horrid massacre some religious *** said she had talked to the survivors about how their friends (who weren't religious) had gone to hell and to believe in God. The US President happily prays for the dead soldiers whilst committing others to horrible deaths.

Now tell me if you can understand why your posts not only are tiresome but affronting to me and many here who do not share your views.
Have an opinion. Fine. Let us know you are Christian. Fine. Ram it down our throats? Not so fine

Here is a project for you Guess Who. Take a look at all of your posts now go through them and take out the posts that have mention of your religion, tour not being married/having sex/with a significant other (or being lonely because of this) and gays. Now divide the number by 10. This is the approx percentage of threads that haven't got that focus. I would be surprised if it is 50% or higher.

Find something else to talk about we need a repieve from this relentless drivel.

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rossco Wrote:
Enter Jesus. Charismatic to be sure (perhaps more so than other such notably charismatic indivuals in history - Gandhi, Malcolm X, David Khoresh, Charles Manson, Hitler) and spouted philosphies which were kindly, passionate, sensible and a little different, but most importantly harmless.


There's a theory that Jesus was a follower of John the Baptist, and that John "switched the roles" in his speeches after the crucifixion because a martyr gets more publicity...

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My apology for having caused needless outrage.
We do have a problem with instructions taken literally do we not?


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nyanchan Wrote:

Batman55 Wrote:

rossco Wrote:
1. Autistic People Rarely Lie

I find this very difficult to do. Lying requires subtlety and an ability to misrepresent yourself. There is nothing overly subtle about me. I am as subtle as a sledgehammer. This is honest but I have found not in any way a trait that is always productive, respectable or even nice. It is all about context.


Actually I learned to become a very skilled liar by the time I was 21 or so, I hope this doesn't mean I couldn't be on the spectrum.


I wouldn't say so. We are all different.

I'm generally alright at lying too, but don't do so very often (although I did go through a bit of a "liar, liar" phase as a teenager.) I'm wondering -- you said "by the time I was 21". Does this mean that aspies learn to lie at a later time than other people?

Studies show that people lie mostly to avoid punishment, and criticism is punishment. This is my primary motive too when I lie, because I cannot stand the punishment / criticism that comes with being very honest.

An afterthought. People say "you can be honest with me" and stuff like that, but they generally don't really mean it.


I was also subject to a "liar liar" phase - and I hated it. Probably because I was such a bad liar because I was caught and punished, and also because I felt guilty as heck when I wasn't caught. I made a concious choice to stop it, and in general I've felt better about myself since. Of course occasionally I get hit with the criticism associated with being honest - but now I just take the attitude of chucking that criticism back with words to the effect of "you can't handle the truth" (a la A Few Good Men). That is - turning the punishment the other is trying to mete out back on them.

Or ignore them.

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My apology for having caused needless outrage.
We do have a problem with instructions taken literally do we not?


I have no idea what that meant, but if it means I and other gay people can sign on to AFF without being aggressively and continually damned to hell, that would be nice.

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To reiterate, a vast majority of Aspergians would take their religions literally.  I think I am correct there.

I am not damning anyone to hell, if I could damn anyone to hell, I'd have done it already.  I have less patience than the Christian God.

I would be quite the micromanaging type of God if I could be.  I mean, a world in where there is no need for police or armies.  

A lot of so-called hypocrite Christians think they are Gods.  The rest of us know the difference and back down.


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To reiterate...


Please don't.

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