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Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - 7oclock - 07-26-2007 03:46 AM
How can people who are responsible for the welfare of children do this? How do they sleep at night? It is evil.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=470864&in_page_id=1879
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To understand this, we have to examine the Government's policy on adoption. In 2000, Tony Blair set new targets to raise the number of children being adopted by 50 per cent to 5,400 every year.
The tally has now reached almost 4,000 in England and Wales - four times higher than France, with a similar-sized population.
He promised millions of pounds to councils that managed to achieve the targets. Some have already received more than £2 million each in rewards for successful adoptions.
This sweeping shake-up in social policy was designed for all the right reasons: to get older were inundated with calls from people wanting to make her their own.
This sweeping shake-up in social policy was designed for all the right reasons: to get older children in care homes into happy new families with parents.
But the reforms didn't work. Encouraged by the promise of extra cash, councils began to earmark those children who were most easy to place in adoptive homes - babies and cute toddlers - while the older children remained in care. (The number of over-sevens adopted has plummeted by half in less than a decade.)
Campaigners - including parents who have had their sons or daughters taken - say that social workers are tearing innocent families apart. Everywhere, I came across evidence to suggest that these claims are justified.
Recently I wrote about a two-year-old English girl whose parents have been at the centre of a David versus Goliath battle to keep her, reaching the highest courts in the land. They say bluntly that she has been stolen by the state.
The girl was advertised in the media on a website, breezily called London Kidz, for would-be adopters. Placed with her picture was a blurb saying she was a smiling child who liked a cuddle. No wonder social workers
Yet the snappy advert covered up the devastating truth: that her birth parents, decent people from Enfield, North London, love her dearly and have fought like tigers to halt her removal. They have failed.
Last autumn, they said goodbye to her at a meeting watched by the local council's social workers, who claim they cannot be trusted to care for her.
Almost certainly she will never see her them again. Nor is she likely to learn of their desperate attempts to stop her forced adoption.
For the other day, at the request of Enfield Council social workers, a judge in London's High Courts of Justice issued a draconian order gagging the parents from revealing anything about their daughter until her 18th birthday in 2022. (Enfield incidentally, has been offered a tasty £900,000 incentive to meet its adoption targets.)
The order means the parents can no longer protest publicly or explain in any meaningful detail their side of the story. They cannot disclose her name, nor show her picture, to anyone-in the media.
On the grounds of protecting her identity, they are also barred from talking about what happened in the myriad court hearings and case conferences with Enfield social workers that began before she was even born in December 2004.
What an irony that is, especially as it is the social workers themselves who paraded their daughter - using her distinctive name and photograph - on a website. Yet, if her parents breach the gagging order they will be charged with contempt of court and could be sent to prison.
But what the Mail can reveal without breaking the law is this.
Eight years ago, the father of this girl was suspected of shaking his son from a previous marriage and damaging his brain. No proof was produced by social workers who accused him. No medical evidence was found by doctors treating the boy, nor were any charges brought by police investigating the claims.
Indeed, it is now believed that his son - whom the father sees regularly and looks after, often alone - suffers from a rare disease which causes identical neurological impairments to those caused by a physical assault.
In other words, the father has not been found guilty of harming anyone.
And his wife?
Her only crime is to have fallen in love, married and given birth to the daughter of a man who had once had the finger pointed at him by social workers.
My story about the couple's child was published in the Daily Mail a few weeks ago. The result was an avalanche of phone calls and e-mails from other parents who said their children had also been, or were about to be, forcibly adopted.
Over the weekend, after that story was published, I heard from 35 families. Within two days, the tally had reached 56. Now it is nearer 100.
The letters continue to arrive, some scribbled on scraps torn from notepads, others on expensive paper with heavilyembossed printed addresses at the top. They come from council estates, middle-class suburbs, and even a castle in the heart of England.
Many of the families left desperate whispered messages on my office phone late at night. An e-mail from one father just said: "Please, please help, NOW. We are about to lose our son. In court tomorrow for final disposals hearing before he is taken for adoption. We have done nothing wrong."
Most touching are the messages from children themselves. One mother sent a letter that her son had written after being taken away by social workers. It said: "I just want to be back with my Mum now. I just want social serverces (sic) to get off our backs...my Mum is reliable and really useful. She is not just my Mum but my best friend."
It was one cry among many.
A father calling himself "James" rang from a public payphone to say his wife's baby was one of eight seized by social workers from hospital maternity units in Tyneside during a two-week period this summer.
A Welsh grandfather complained that his grandson of three weeks was earmarked by social workers. The mother, a 21-year-old with a mild learning disorder, was told that she might - just might - get post-natal depression and neglect her son.
To her great distress, her baby was put in the care of Monmouthshire social services within minutes of birth.
The grandfather said: "Our entire extended family - including two nurses, a qualified nanny and a police officer - have offered to help her care for the baby. I believe my grandson has been deliberately targeted for adoption since he was in the womb."
And there were more.
A Worcestershire woman told how her daughter's baby was snatched away by three police officers and two social workers who came to the door of her house. The girl has now been adopted.
The mother's failure?
She was said to be too young to cope. Yet she has now had another baby, a boy, whom she has been allowed to keep, in the same home and with the same partner. It is only a year later.
The grandmother explained: "All the family came forward to offer to help look after my granddaughter, and all of them were told they were not good enough. The social worker said to forget her. He said: 'She is water under the bridge'."
But the most disturbing story came from a 25-year-old church warden and nurse, who is married to an IT administrator. They live in a lovely home in the North-East of England and looked forward to having a baby together.
During pregnancy, the mother's only concern was that she has serious lung problems. As a teenager, she suffered from encephalitis and spent 12 weeks in intensive care at Newcastle Hospital.
Yet, curiously, doctors and social workers said she was making this up. They alleged that she suffered from a mental ailment called Munchausen's syndrome and that this disorder - completely unproven in science and widely discredited - made her pretend she had once been ill.
They informed the incredulous mother that the so-called disorder meant she was a danger not only to her baby, but to other children in the maternity ward.
She told me: "I had my little boy by Caesarean. We got to spend six hours with him, then the social worker came to remove him. She sat at the bottom of the bed in the hospital-and said the police were ten minutes away, and that if we didn't sign a voluntary care order, she would phone them and they would snatch our baby anyway."
This woman is now fighting to stop his adoption.
The tally has now reached almost 4,000 in England and Wales - four times higher than France, with a similar-sized population.
He promised millions of pounds to councils that managed to achieve the targets. Some have already received more than £2 million each in rewards for successful adoptions.
This sweeping shake-up in social policy was designed for all the right reasons: to get older were inundated with calls from people wanting to make her their own.
This sweeping shake-up in social policy was designed for all the right reasons: to get older children in care homes into happy new families with parents.
But the reforms didn't work. Encouraged by the promise of extra cash, councils began to earmark those children who were most easy to place in adoptive homes - babies and cute toddlers - while the older children remained in care. (The number of over-sevens adopted has plummeted by half in less than a decade.)
Campaigners - including parents who have had their sons or daughters taken - say that social workers are tearing innocent families apart. Everywhere, I came across evidence to suggest that these claims are justified.
Recently I wrote about a two-year-old English girl whose parents have been at the centre of a David versus Goliath battle to keep her, reaching the highest courts in the land. They say bluntly that she has been stolen by the state.
The girl was advertised in the media on a website, breezily called London Kidz, for would-be adopters. Placed with her picture was a blurb saying she was a smiling child who liked a cuddle. No wonder social workers
Yet the snappy advert covered up the devastating truth: that her birth parents, decent people from Enfield, North London, love her dearly and have fought like tigers to halt her removal. They have failed.
Last autumn, they said goodbye to her at a meeting watched by the local council's social workers, who claim they cannot be trusted to care for her.
Almost certainly she will never see her them again. Nor is she likely to learn of their desperate attempts to stop her forced adoption.
For the other day, at the request of Enfield Council social workers, a judge in London's High Courts of Justice issued a draconian order gagging the parents from revealing anything about their daughter until her 18th birthday in 2022. (Enfield incidentally, has been offered a tasty £900,000 incentive to meet its adoption targets.)
The order means the parents can no longer protest publicly or explain in any meaningful detail their side of the story. They cannot disclose her name, nor show her picture, to anyone-in the media.
On the grounds of protecting her identity, they are also barred from talking about what happened in the myriad court hearings and case conferences with Enfield social workers that began before she was even born in December 2004.
What an irony that is, especially as it is the social workers themselves who paraded their daughter - using her distinctive name and photograph - on a website. Yet, if her parents breach the gagging order they will be charged with contempt of court and could be sent to prison.
But what the Mail can reveal without breaking the law is this.
Eight years ago, the father of this girl was suspected of shaking his son from a previous marriage and damaging his brain. No proof was produced by social workers who accused him. No medical evidence was found by doctors treating the boy, nor were any charges brought by police investigating the claims.
Indeed, it is now believed that his son - whom the father sees regularly and looks after, often alone - suffers from a rare disease which causes identical neurological impairments to those caused by a physical assault.
In other words, the father has not been found guilty of harming anyone.
And his wife?
Her only crime is to have fallen in love, married and given birth to the daughter of a man who had once had the finger pointed at him by social workers.
My story about the couple's child was published in the Daily Mail a few weeks ago. The result was an avalanche of phone calls and e-mails from other parents who said their children had also been, or were about to be, forcibly adopted.
Over the weekend, after that story was published, I heard from 35 families. Within two days, the tally had reached 56. Now it is nearer 100.
The letters continue to arrive, some scribbled on scraps torn from notepads, others on expensive paper with heavilyembossed printed addresses at the top. They come from council estates, middle-class suburbs, and even a castle in the heart of England.
Many of the families left desperate whispered messages on my office phone late at night. An e-mail from one father just said: "Please, please help, NOW. We are about to lose our son. In court tomorrow for final disposals hearing before he is taken for adoption. We have done nothing wrong."
Most touching are the messages from children themselves. One mother sent a letter that her son had written after being taken away by social workers. It said: "I just want to be back with my Mum now. I just want social serverces (sic) to get off our backs...my Mum is reliable and really useful. She is not just my Mum but my best friend."
It was one cry among many.
A father calling himself "James" rang from a public payphone to say his wife's baby was one of eight seized by social workers from hospital maternity units in Tyneside during a two-week period this summer.
A Welsh grandfather complained that his grandson of three weeks was earmarked by social workers. The mother, a 21-year-old with a mild learning disorder, was told that she might - just might - get post-natal depression and neglect her son.
To her great distress, her baby was put in the care of Monmouthshire social services within minutes of birth.
The grandfather said: "Our entire extended family - including two nurses, a qualified nanny and a police officer - have offered to help her care for the baby. I believe my grandson has been deliberately targeted for adoption since he was in the womb."
And there were more.
A Worcestershire woman told how her daughter's baby was snatched away by three police officers and two social workers who came to the door of her house. The girl has now been adopted.
The mother's failure?
She was said to be too young to cope. Yet she has now had another baby, a boy, whom she has been allowed to keep, in the same home and with the same partner. It is only a year later.
The grandmother explained: "All the family came forward to offer to help look after my granddaughter, and all of them were told they were not good enough. The social worker said to forget her. He said: 'She is water under the bridge'."
But the most disturbing story came from a 25-year-old church warden and nurse, who is married to an IT administrator. They live in a lovely home in the North-East of England and looked forward to having a baby together.
During pregnancy, the mother's only concern was that she has serious lung problems. As a teenager, she suffered from encephalitis and spent 12 weeks in intensive care at Newcastle Hospital.
Yet, curiously, doctors and social workers said she was making this up. They alleged that she suffered from a mental ailment called Munchausen's syndrome and that this disorder - completely unproven in science and widely discredited - made her pretend she had once been ill.
They informed the incredulous mother that the so-called disorder meant she was a danger not only to her baby, but to other children in the maternity ward.
She told me: "I had my little boy by Caesarean. We got to spend six hours with him, then the social worker came to remove him. She sat at the bottom of the bed in the hospital-and said the police were ten minutes away, and that if we didn't sign a voluntary care order, she would phone them and they would snatch our baby anyway."
This woman is now fighting to stop his adoption.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - couldbecousin - 07-26-2007 04:00 AM
I am stunned, and so angry. May these social workers one day suffer as they have made their victims suffer.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - garmonbozia - 07-26-2007 05:16 AM
These social workers sound like cowards going after easy prey. They're much safer going after someone actually worried about losing a kid, than if they were to go after REAL lowlife who might clown them up without a second thought.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Gareth - 07-26-2007 12:47 PM
I don't know if it's just bias from the crap me and Amy have suffered but it seems across the UK similar things are happening. The women from newcastle being accused of munchausens is haunting - I grew up in Newcastle and my mother worked as a nurse there. There's a scary possibility (as she has dealt with social services cases) that she was involved.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Ivar T - 07-26-2007 01:32 PM
So these social workers are actually doing these things just for money?
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Timelord - 07-26-2007 02:41 PM
I've always said that social workers should be regulated. There are too many around with their own agendas. I have a friend here who complains mightily about social workers and how they won't let a parent get a word in about their child, and the parents get told what to do or lose their child. Sometimes it's right, but there's nothing penalising them for getting it wrong as well.
It's right out of hand.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - M - 07-26-2007 03:37 PM
Sorry. I though this posting was about mothers with Asperger's who were stealing babies. It is about parent's with asperger's having their children stolen from them. Ok. I understand now.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ichtms - 07-26-2007 07:11 PM
This isn't just England. This is the state of things all over Europe. And tossing in munchausen allegations regarding some situation that's 8 years past... (wasn't it in Newcastle that Beverly Allitt reigned terror in the ER?)
There's an industrial fan here sitting just beneath the crap house clouding up the truth so that you can't find it without wading through the troughs... and its victims are everywhere. The one's who should have been rescued from Hell, but weren't. The one's who was taken from the ashes and put into the fire. All those in-betweens.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - BardWolf - 07-26-2007 08:46 PM
They mention the Monmouth woman...wow
This is horrid absoutly horrid. It makes me sick!
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Joeker - 07-26-2007 11:04 PM
I guess this may mean that it's not about the mother having AS, then, but about money.
This stuff is terrible.
Those responsible for these forcible removals of children from their parents deserve to be incarcerated right away, and then charged for kidnapping and human trafficing.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - hyke - 07-26-2007 11:15 PM
this makes me so sad.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - wilky - 07-27-2007 12:39 AM
Gareth Wrote:
I don't know if it's just bias from the crap me and Amy have suffered but it seems across the UK similar things are happening. The women from newcastle being accused of munchausens is haunting - I grew up in Newcastle and my mother worked as a nurse there. There's a scary possibility (as she has dealt with social services cases) that she was involved.
I know this is off topic but, I'm from Newcastle and I'm wondering if we're the same age we may have went to the same school or lived in the same area. I knew a Gareth from Sandyford.
It's a small world. 
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Fassit - 07-28-2007 02:14 PM
Hi
Two weeks before the article you are discussing another story broke on adoption targets which appeared in the Daily Mail/London Tonight newspapers. Almost immediately the Newspapers editors were quickly ordered by Enfield Council to remove all traces of the article.
As if it never happened! but it did - here is that story:
http://endforcedadoptions.spaces.live.com/blog/
IMPORTANT: Remember all who clicks on this link are in contempt of court.
But I believe it’s in the public interest that people should have the choice.
Best Regards
http://www.fassit.co.uk
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Gareth - 07-29-2007 04:42 PM
I can not state how angry reading that article made me.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Callista - 07-30-2007 01:20 AM
Munchausen Syndrome is well-known and documented; but lung problems as a teenager and nothing since then do not fit the pattern.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Moon Baby - 08-01-2007 12:37 AM
---
I'm teething on the answers you're saving
How are you going to make me understand
I'm dreaming while you're stealing babies
How are you going to help me sleep again
How should i say "I'm so sorry"
How should I pray to know that we're alive
Eve stands alone
By the knock on the door
By the thin in her bones
She's courageous & loving
Exhausted & cold
She's not ready to go
But the ghost on the phone
Helps her safely into her dream
You're leaving pieces of family
How are you going to help them understand
I'm screaming while you're stealing babies
Why do you want to knock us down again
---Our Lady Peace "Stealing Babies"
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ῦ - 08-01-2007 12:56 AM
Fassit Wrote:
Hi
Two weeks before the article you are discussing another story broke on adoption targets which appeared in the Daily Mail/London Tonight newspapers. Almost immediately the Newspapers editors were quickly ordered by Enfield Council to remove all traces of the article.
As if it never happened! but it did - here is that story:
http://endforcedadoptions.spaces.live.com/blog/
IMPORTANT: Remember all who clicks on this link are in contempt of court.
But I believe it’s in the public interest that people should have the choice.
Best Regards
http://www.fassit.co.uk
Two weeks before the article you are discussing another story broke on adoption targets which appeared in the Daily Mail/London Tonight newspapers. Almost immediately the Newspapers editors were quickly ordered by Enfield Council to remove all traces of the article.
As if it never happened! but it did - here is that story:
http://endforcedadoptions.spaces.live.com/blog/
IMPORTANT: Remember all who clicks on this link are in contempt of court.
But I believe it’s in the public interest that people should have the choice.
Best Regards
http://www.fassit.co.uk
that makes us in contempt?
then i may as well go whole hog-*** the courts system,its wildly unbalanced.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - A True Monotheist - 02-09-2008 02:27 AM
B"H
This will be my last post for the week today (Friday). I will resume on Sunday. However, this story makes me realize more and more that for the Spectrum to survive it must have its own political party/movement. It must be organized. And, the party must be open to ALL on the spectrum, "Aspie," Autistic, and Neuro-typicals who have joined the Spectrum because they believe in the principles of individuality and freedom. Call it the "Spectrum Party."
Otherwise, I fear that this will continue, and even (I pray not) extend to America.
Until next week,
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - SheWhoCan'tThinkOfAUsername - 02-09-2008 04:44 AM
This is horrible! I've never heard of this before!!
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - DigiModify - 02-09-2008 06:16 AM
Sick. Just sick.
The reason these mothers sleep at night is probably because they have no conscience! If your conscience isn't all over you about stealing a child THAT ISN'T YOURS, you are a sick person.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Dark Shamshir X - 02-09-2008 07:04 AM
My patience for NT's is running thin again, if we have to protect them, we must punish those who steal babies from Aspergian mothers.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Pakrat - 02-09-2008 01:20 PM
I also wonder how much the adoptive parents are told? I'll bet they are not informed that the children were forcibly removed from their birth parents.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ocampo - 02-09-2008 05:25 PM
The social work department, in my experience, are nothing more than a group of pen-pushing, egoistic, overzealous Nazis - in suits not boots. They decide they don't like you and [insert deity of choice here] help you; they're sending you to hell on earth one way or another. I despise the social work dept. They don't give a sh*t about parents, they don't give a sh*t about kids... they suit themselves and persecute inconsistently.
When I was a kid, I grew up with a schziophrenic father and started displaying signs of being on the spectrum as a toddler; I was always being referred to the childrens' hospital with this or that. Wouldn't communicate; wouldn't eat properly; hated being around other children; screamed when anyone who wasn't my grandma or aunt tried to touch me; blank expressions (there's a pic of me next to my birthday cake and there's no sign of emotion on my face; ditto pictures with Santa, Xmas morning pictures etc). Even if you didn't notice ASD, you would think red lights would start showing that a kid being raised in an unconventional home was clearly showing signs of not being 'normal'.
When I hit my teens and I wasn't going to school because of the bullying (and abuse at home), I got a child pyschologist and a social worker - I told them both that my mum used to beat me up and scream at me that I was "a freak just like your father". I used to sit in my bedroom alone with my books - I had one close friend at school. Once I had what I now know was a meltdown in front of my dad's CPN - a full scale meltdown, complete with hysterics, head banging, pinching my skin until I had red marks all over my arms - my mum was standing over me screaming in my face that I humiliated her at every chance I got and that she wished she'd never had me. The CPN did nothing; made his awkward excuses and left. Even though I begged my social worker to take me away to a foster home and told them why, they only ever told my mum that I'd been saying that. And she rolled out the usual daytime TV response - "my child hates me and I can't control her". Oh look at the poor parent; the child is defective. But... the child has a high IQ, consistently outperforms her peers academically and only plays truant to sit in libraries doing her schoolwork that way; doesn't drink, doesn't take drugs, doesn't smoke, hasn't had sex, has no interest in her peers... I by no means think the social work department should have detected my ASD; I just find it a little queer that the social work department had a child who was so clearly not defective, or problematic in the usual teenage sense, telling them that she was experiencing physical, mental and, at one point, sexual abuse in the home... and they rejected all of this to support the parent who had demostrated (in front of other authorities) impatience with me. I begged them to talk to teachers at school; they never did. At one point, my mum was trying to insinuate to my pyschologist that she thought I was 'a bit like her father'; cue a load of questions in front of a two way mirror (that I later found out my mother was on the other side of) about my curiousity about my own apparent schziophrenic tendencies. Incidentally, I was 13 when this happened.
The social work department knew full well that I was getting abused at home by my mother and did bugger all about it. Years later, I had another run in with the social work department and they were adament they were going to f*ck me. And believe me, they did.
Pigs.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Pakrat - 02-09-2008 06:11 PM
I don't have too much respect for the profession either; not from what I've heard of where some parents get kids taken away on the slightest pretext while others who are well known child abusers get the kids returned to them very easily.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Touretter - 02-09-2008 10:54 PM
This all reminds me of what happened in Switzerland to the Yenische. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeniche_%28people%29
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - woman from mars - 02-10-2008 12:29 AM
I posted this on another thread recently.
The link to the page I gave is a satire, but 'the Forced Adoption" site has many links to the truth & what a person who finds themselves in this situation can do....it is better read now! than to wait until it is to late!!
woman from mars Wrote:
The bottom line seems to be that the UK Social Services are financially rewarded for improving adoption statistics.
This site is helpful, informative & gives advice to anyone who might find themselves in a similar situation.Forced adoption.
It is a very long hard read, but well worth it.
This is a small snip from the site.
This site is helpful, informative & gives advice to anyone who might find themselves in a similar situation.Forced adoption.
It is a very long hard read, but well worth it.
This is a small snip from the site.
Quote:
Parents cannot complain either by revealing what happened in the secret family courts ,or by naming themselves or their children publicly without risking prison for contempt of the secret court.(Unlike more civilized countries such as Australia, New Zealand Canada, and Ireland where such secrecy in family courts does not exist) .
Another snip
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The judges in the secret family courts however inevitably respond by threatening parents with prison if they reveal to anybody details of proceedings in the secret family courts.The identity of the children must be protected at all costs they say with an intimidating judicial frown ! They follow up this stricture by authorising social services to advertise the unfortunate babies and toddlers as "adoption candidates" in magazines like "adoption UK" and on the internet on sites such as "www.ukkids.info "like pedigree dogs,with large colour photographs ,first names, dates of birth and character descriptions for easy identification by "the neighbours". These children are finally given away via "forced adoption" to anonymous strangers for the rest of their lives.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ῦ - 02-10-2008 01:51 AM
i belive the term is "target of opportunity".
they know (read:think) that we won't fight back.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ocampo - 02-10-2008 06:16 PM
Quote:
GOOD RIDDANCE to all social misfits especially mothers who resist our plans; We used to bully unmarried mothers into giving up their babies in their thousands but now that giving birth to little bastards seems to be respectable we have to trawl around to find mothers we can accuse of abuse or neglect even if we have to manufacture the evidence ourselves. It is all part of the job. ENJOY!
Ahhh... so true. Do you think its a prerequiste of becoming a social worker that you have to sell your soul to Satan?
http://www.forced-adoption.com/child-snatchers.asp
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - woman from mars - 02-10-2008 10:05 PM
ocampo Wrote:
Quote:
GOOD RIDDANCE to all social misfits especially mothers who resist our plans; We used to bully unmarried mothers into giving up their babies in their thousands but now that giving birth to little bastards seems to be respectable we have to trawl around to find mothers we can accuse of abuse or neglect even if we have to manufacture the evidence ourselves. It is all part of the job. ENJOY!
Ahhh... so true. Do you think its a prerequiste of becoming a social worker that you have to sell your soul to Satan?
http://www.forced-adoption.com/child-snatchers.asp
From my own experiences as a daughter, mother & Nurse I wouldn't ever trust one in any circumstances.
Quote:
Hundreds of criminals apply for care jobs
By Tom Pettifor
Daily Mirror May 20 2006
HUNDREDS of would-be social workers have serious criminal convictions.
Official figures list 375 fully qualified social workers being considered for official registration as having records for high or medium-risk offences.
They include murder, robbery, sex crimes, theft, drug dealing, possessing hard drugs, grievous bodily harm, domestic violence, fraud and serious driving offences.
By Tom Pettifor
Daily Mirror May 20 2006
HUNDREDS of would-be social workers have serious criminal convictions.
Official figures list 375 fully qualified social workers being considered for official registration as having records for high or medium-risk offences.
They include murder, robbery, sex crimes, theft, drug dealing, possessing hard drugs, grievous bodily harm, domestic violence, fraud and serious driving offences.
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A review is still going on of 700 cases in which bogus forensic scientist Gene Morrison gave evidence. Morrison, 48, from Manchester who was sentenced to five years for fraud in February, admitted he pretended to be an expert witness and bought his qualifications on the internet because it “seemed easier†than getting real ones.
For many of the genuinely qualified experts, legal work isa lucrative sideline, and if they are perceived to be able to “tailor†their evidence convincingly, the commissions keep flowing in. John Hemming, a Liberal Democrat MP campaigning about the misuse of medical evidence, says fees for a basic written opinion, based on reading through existing files, start at £4,000. If the expert concludes there is a case to answer, they attract court attendance fees as well.
“I have known experts get as much as £28,000 for one report,†said Hemming, who is lobbying for experts to be required to produce the scientific publications on which their opinion is based: “Unless we start using evidence-based evidence in court, we will get nowhere.â€
For many of the genuinely qualified experts, legal work isa lucrative sideline, and if they are perceived to be able to “tailor†their evidence convincingly, the commissions keep flowing in. John Hemming, a Liberal Democrat MP campaigning about the misuse of medical evidence, says fees for a basic written opinion, based on reading through existing files, start at £4,000. If the expert concludes there is a case to answer, they attract court attendance fees as well.
“I have known experts get as much as £28,000 for one report,†said Hemming, who is lobbying for experts to be required to produce the scientific publications on which their opinion is based: “Unless we start using evidence-based evidence in court, we will get nowhere.â€
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Most adopters seek BABIES not children so that far from taking children out of care the result was a frantic search by Kent Social Services for babies that could be adopted; More than 3000 babies under 1 year old every year for the last ten years have been snatched by ss and put into care prior to adoption by strangers. (The figure of 3000 per year rising to 3900 per year over a ten year period comes from the answer to a parliamentary question put by Tim Loughton MP in 2004 to the Minister for children.) Most of these were taken from mothers who desperately wanted to keep them but they stood no chance of prevailing against the onslaught of the mighty forces of social services...
The demand for new-born babies for adoption used to be satisfied by young girls who had babies out of wedlock. This is no longer a disgrace so that need now has to be satisfied as far as possible by making claims of abuse or neglect against mothers (in their past) that more often than not are false and unsubstantiated ,and using these as an excuse to take new born babies away to secret places for adoption by persons who are too ashamed to show their faces to the real parents
The demand for new-born babies for adoption used to be satisfied by young girls who had babies out of wedlock. This is no longer a disgrace so that need now has to be satisfied as far as possible by making claims of abuse or neglect against mothers (in their past) that more often than not are false and unsubstantiated ,and using these as an excuse to take new born babies away to secret places for adoption by persons who are too ashamed to show their faces to the real parents
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Kindness is practically never shown to these mothers and the only abuse to the baby comes from the social workers who deprive it of the bond formed with the mother at birth and prevent it from breast feeding which is the natural way to nourish any baby.The unfortunate mothers however are mostly condemned for life to produce babies not for themselves but to swell the adoption figures for the social services.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Dark Shamshir X - 02-10-2008 10:33 PM
Who was the *** ocampo quoted?
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ocampo - 02-11-2008 10:14 AM
Its irony Shamshir... look at the website WfM linked to.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ocampo - 02-11-2008 10:28 AM
My big fear is that when I do have children, that because I've had social work intervention in the past, that they'll come after me. Although saying that I'll be in the education service - either as an academic or as a teacher - so I'll be a nice little middle class unmarried mother then. I mean I'll still be a lesbian but because of these new fangled laws (that say we're also human beings - fancy that!) they won't be able to discriminate against me now the way they did before ("normal family" was the phrase I remember being used against me
). Plus I'll also hold a general law degree and have lefty lawyer friends... so f*ck the social work department. I'm still gunning for every single one of them years later. The only good social worker is one that got shafted by their own techniques.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Duckfetishgirl - 09-10-2009 06:56 PM
These people should be hung!
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Dean - 09-10-2009 07:23 PM
Sickened? as usual. suprised? No. Yet another example of how corrupt these slimey, under handed, rat bastards really are...... hanging's too good for them.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Pakrat - 09-11-2009 02:28 AM
And they're the same people who leave helpless kids with parents who have already proven that they are abusive all in the name of "keeping the family together".
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Dean - 09-11-2009 09:52 PM
It doesn' suprise me in the slightest...... this is the same government that would steal from us in a time of recession regardless of the fact they didn't need the money... and the same government that would prostitute the values of our once decent country to apease half crazed IRA supporting Libyan leaders to keep are oil trade sweet......
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Ana54 - 09-16-2009 05:53 AM
The govvie probably wants to please the rich as usual... get babies for the women who are too posh to push to buy... and I wonder what will happen with the reporter who wrote that article. Is the reporter going to be arrested for aiding and abetting a crime?
Just when I start to trust the government, I suddenly hear of something like this. Well, I probably shouldn't trust that the govvie is doing anything for me... they're probably paying my welfare checks for their own good somehow...
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Dean - 09-17-2009 10:11 AM
Ana54 Wrote:
The govvie probably wants to please the rich as usual... get babies for the women who are too posh to push to buy... and I wonder what will happen with the reporter who wrote that article. Is the reporter going to be arrested for aiding and abetting a crime?
Just when I start to trust the government, I suddenly hear of something like this. Well, I probably shouldn't trust that the govvie is doing anything for me... they're probably paying my welfare checks for their own good somehow...
Just when I start to trust the government, I suddenly hear of something like this. Well, I probably shouldn't trust that the govvie is doing anything for me... they're probably paying my welfare checks for their own good somehow...
I'd imagine it's more so that they want to line there own pockets. Scum like them wouldn't put themselves out for anyone else unless they were getting something seriously beneficial in return. Lol maybe theyre giving the babies to Libya as "Compassionate Rehousing".
I've made a point of not trusting most people in my life, but the Government is definately top of the list for that.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Ana54 - 09-18-2009 01:33 AM
The rich pay the govvie for the babies.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Duckfetishgirl - 09-18-2009 01:35 AM
They ARE making money. That is why they target the cute young babies that are easier to place. What about the older kids nobody wants?????
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Marcia - 09-18-2009 01:39 AM
Babies aren't sold in the UK!
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Duckfetishgirl - 09-18-2009 01:59 AM
Marcia Wrote:
Babies aren't sold in the UK!
Not in the literal sense! But YES THEY ARE! Read the bold lettering.
he number of babies under one week old now being taken for adoption has soared three-fold in a decade to an annual total of 900. In 1995, 1,000 children under five were removed from their parents.
By last year, it was nudging 2,500.
But why have these figures shot up? And why would anyone fabricate evidence to boost them?
To understand this, we have to examine the Government's policy on adoption. In 2000, Tony Blair set new targets to raise the number of children being adopted by 50 per cent to 5,400 every year.
The tally has now reached almost 4,000 in England and Wales - four times higher than France, with a similar-sized population.
He promised millions of pounds to councils that managed to achieve the targets. Some have already received more than £2 million each in rewards for successful adoptions.
This sweeping shake-up in social policy was designed for all the right reasons: to get older were inundated with calls from people wanting to make her their own.
This sweeping shake-up in social policy was designed for all the right reasons: to get older children in care homes into happy new families with parents.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-470864/Give-children.html#ixzz0RPZ46WQY
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Duckfetishgirl - 09-18-2009 02:06 AM
They are making money off of this. This is why they are fabricating evidence to take babies from loving homes. It's disgusting.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Marcia - 09-18-2009 02:08 AM
I wouldn't trust anything I read in the Daily Mail, with the possible exception of the date at the top of the page, and I'd probably check that just to make sure.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - ῦ - 09-18-2009 02:09 AM
Marcia Wrote:
I wouldn't trust anything I read in the Daily Mail, with the possible exception of the date at the top of the page, and I'd probably check that just to make sure.
HAH!
Yeah, this is absolutely true; the Daily Fail never tells the whole truth if it can help it - rather, it loves to whip up controversy and hate.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Duckfetishgirl - 09-18-2009 02:39 AM
I see.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Duckfetishgirl - 09-18-2009 02:52 AM
I don't live there so I just have to take people's word for it. I wouldn't be surprised if it were true.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Marcia - 09-18-2009 03:00 AM
There is some truth to it in that councils in England and Wales were offered financial incentives to increase adoption rates. The intention was that they would find more adoptive places for the children already in care, or who met existing criteria for being taken into care. It does seems that some of those babies taken into care and subsequently adopted were taken from parents unreasonably. Furthermore the family court system made it very difficult for them to challenge the decisions to take the babies and/or to challenge the adoptions.
That said, and it is undeniably tragic and terrible for those families, there are certainly a significant number of babies and children who have been taken into care and adopted because their wellbeing and lives were at significant risk.
I don't live in England and Wales either, but I did a bit of googling and found that what the Daily Mail reported does seem to have some basis in fact.
RE: Stealing Babies is not limited to Asperger mothers... - Balamvucub - 05-02-2011 06:26 AM
Fassit Wrote:
Hi
Two weeks before the article you are discussing another story broke on adoption targets which appeared in the Daily Mail/London Tonight newspapers. Almost immediately the Newspapers editors were quickly ordered by Enfield Council to remove all traces of the article.
As if it never happened! but it did - here is that story:
http://endforcedadoptions.spaces.live.com/blog/��
IMPORTANT: Remember all who clicks on this link are in contempt of court.
But I believe it�s in the public interest that people should have the choice.
Best Regards
http://www.fassit.co.uk
Two weeks before the article you are discussing another story broke on adoption targets which appeared in the Daily Mail/London Tonight newspapers. Almost immediately the Newspapers editors were quickly ordered by Enfield Council to remove all traces of the article.
As if it never happened! but it did - here is that story:
http://endforcedadoptions.spaces.live.com/blog/��
IMPORTANT: Remember all who clicks on this link are in contempt of court.
But I believe it�s in the public interest that people should have the choice.
Best Regards
http://www.fassit.co.uk
I have clicked on this link,and recieved the message that the information was no longer available. Cover up I suppose.